Is your HYDROPHONE busted too? - Page 2

Powerthighs · 08-02-07, 04:39 PM

I've seen the same thing in stock 1.3. Occasionally the sonar operator will track a ship and I can see it but not hear it when pointing the hydrophones. I've also had the opposite happen, where I can hear it in the hydrophones but the sonar guy won't track it.

SteamWake · 08-02-07, 05:03 PM

and this is all while at periscope depth ?

Ducimus · 08-02-07, 05:08 PM

Yeah, as far as i can tell, i dunno, i suspect theres something bug related with wooden sampans.

Theres 3 kinds of hydrohones.
Hydrophone_ball (used by S boats)
Hydrophone_ball2 (located on bottom of all other boats)
Hydrophone_Head? (rotating head on deck forward of bridge)

Now how the game uses Hydro_ball2 and Hydro_head, ive no idea. Does it use both? Or just one or the other? I know what their SUPPOSED to do in RL, but RL and Ingame/incode are always different. I think ill go back and check the min/max range and bearing on those two later.

chopped50ford · 08-02-07, 06:34 PM

im not seeing issues like these. I use my sonar quite a bit with some accuracy to bearings and distances.

Frederf · 08-03-07, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederf

Correct me if I'm wrong but the normal sound frequency stuff is the two "balls" below the hull and is responsible for passive listening. The complete sonar/hydrophone set includes the "T-bar" fore deck device which allows ultra-sonic (higher than human hearing frequency range) operations such as pinging.

You got it in reverse:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/fleetsub/sonar/chap1.htm#1A

Ok then it all makes sense! I shouldn't be able to hear the sonic gear until I get the T-bar below the water level. That means no hydrophones on the surface and it's realistic! No bug, no foul. I'm gunna have to read all that manual now you know

What would be the sensor functionality with the sonic gear in air and the supersonic gear under water? Nil? Some?

SteamWake · 08-03-07, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederf

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederf

Correct me if I'm wrong but the normal sound frequency stuff is the two "balls" below the hull and is responsible for passive listening. The complete sonar/hydrophone set includes the "T-bar" fore deck device which allows ultra-sonic (higher than human hearing frequency range) operations such as pinging.

You got it in reverse:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/fleetsub/sonar/chap1.htm#1A

Ok then it all makes sense! I shouldn't be able to hear the sonic gear until I get the T-bar below the water level. That means no hydrophones on the surface and it's realistic! No bug, no foul. I'm gunna have to read all that manual now you know

What would be the sensor functionality with the sonic gear in air and the supersonic gear under water? Nil? Some?

Well not only "while surfaced" the sonar would become swamped with white noise when near the surface (periscope depth). Waves crashing, bubbles, shrimp screwing, fish farting etc. making it more difficult to pick the sound of a ship out from all the backbround noise.

silentrunner · 08-03-07, 03:38 PM

I don't know about the sonar not detecting ships but I can't get the wheel to move does anyone know how to fix this?

SteamWake · 08-03-07, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentrunner

I don't know about the sonar not detecting ships but I can't get the wheel to move does anyone know how to fix this?

Home and end keys on your keyboard turn the wheel. Not exactly intuitive but thats the ticket.

Oh and welcome to the forums.

Frederf · 08-03-07, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentrunner

I don't know about the sonar not detecting ships but I can't get the wheel to move does anyone know how to fix this?

Home and end keys on your keyboard turn the wheel. Not exactly intuitive but thats the ticket.

Oh and welcome to the forums.

Mousewheel also works for fine adjustments. Same exact setup Home/End/Mousewheel on the radar PPI/A_scope

buteobuteo · 08-06-07, 04:49 PM

I was tracking a merchant with hydrophones,raised my perscope to get a visual could not see it, so I went back to listen but I could hear nothing.After around 10 mins I got a visual,but still could not hear it with hydrophones,although the SO kept giving bearing and esimated speed.
I disabled what mods I had but still had the same problem with stock 1.3. I sank it then moved on eventually getting another contact, this time the hydrophones worked perfectly. It has happened a couple of times and it seems random.

Ducimus · 08-06-07, 05:09 PM

Just FYI, there most definatly is something up with the hydrophones, but its inconsistant on WHEN it decides to act weird.

For instace, i crash dive. Sonarman can hear stuff, i can't. I know where the ship is, but when i use the hydrophones, i can't hear it. Sonarman hears it fine. I shoot a torpedo.. i can hear that, i can hear them impact and when they do their end of run explosions, but i cannot hear the orginal target.To add more to the mystery, If i surface, and then dive again, hydrophones will work fine.

ElAurens · 08-06-07, 06:03 PM

Aren't computers grand?

Frederf · 08-06-07, 06:10 PM

I was getting a similar deal in the shallow waters of Truk. SO would report nearest contact but couldn't follow anything to save his life. And I couldn't hear any engines except for my own even when I knew there was a DD steaming away inside 'phones range.

THE_MASK · 08-06-07, 06:53 PM

Why for the love of god would you use the hydrophones while at periscope depth if you can see the ship with your own eyes thru the periscope

.

SteamWake · 08-06-07, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober

Why for the love of god would you use the hydrophones while at periscope depth if you can see the ship with your own eyes thru the periscope

.

Because you can hear further than you can see.

08-02-07, 06:34 PM	#19
chopped50ford Weps Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bentonville, AR Posts: 367 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	im not seeing issues like these. I use my sonar quite a bit with some accuracy to bearings and distances. __________________ TM2(SS) USS Asheville - Plankowner, Shellback, "Order of the Ditch" http://ths-i.com/

08-03-07, 03:38 PM	#22
silentrunner Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mind your own business English Types Posts: 334 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	can't get sonar to move I don't know about the sonar not detecting ships but I can't get the wheel to move does anyone know how to fix this?

08-06-07, 06:03 PM	#27
ElAurens A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 76 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Aren't computers grand? __________________ " And the sea shall grant each man new hope, as sleep brings dreams of home." Christopher Columbus

08-02-07, 04:39 PM	#16
Powerthighs Beach Leaf Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 287 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I've seen the same thing in stock 1.3. Occasionally the sonar operator will track a ship and I can see it but not hear it when pointing the hydrophones. I've also had the opposite happen, where I can hear it in the hydrophones but the sonar guy won't track it.

08-02-07, 05:03 PM	#17
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	and this is all while at periscope depth ?

08-02-07, 05:08 PM	#18
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yeah, as far as i can tell, i dunno, i suspect theres something bug related with wooden sampans. Theres 3 kinds of hydrohones. Hydrophone_ball (used by S boats) Hydrophone_ball2 (located on bottom of all other boats) Hydrophone_Head? (rotating head on deck forward of bridge) Now how the game uses Hydro_ball2 and Hydro_head, ive no idea. Does it use both? Or just one or the other? I know what their SUPPOSED to do in RL, but RL and Ingame/incode are always different. I think ill go back and check the min/max range and bearing on those two later.

08-06-07, 04:49 PM	#25
buteobuteo Mate Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 55 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was tracking a merchant with hydrophones,raised my perscope to get a visual could not see it, so I went back to listen but I could hear nothing.After around 10 mins I got a visual,but still could not hear it with hydrophones,although the SO kept giving bearing and esimated speed. I disabled what mods I had but still had the same problem with stock 1.3. I sank it then moved on eventually getting another contact, this time the hydrophones worked perfectly. It has happened a couple of times and it seems random.

08-06-07, 05:09 PM	#26
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Just FYI, there most definatly is something up with the hydrophones, but its inconsistant on WHEN it decides to act weird. For instace, i crash dive. Sonarman can hear stuff, i can't. I know where the ship is, but when i use the hydrophones, i can't hear it. Sonarman hears it fine. I shoot a torpedo.. i can hear that, i can hear them impact and when they do their end of run explosions, but i cannot hear the orginal target.To add more to the mystery, If i surface, and then dive again, hydrophones will work fine.

08-06-07, 06:10 PM	#28
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	I was getting a similar deal in the shallow waters of Truk. SO would report nearest contact but couldn't follow anything to save his life. And I couldn't hear any engines except for my own even when I knew there was a DD steaming away inside 'phones range.

08-06-07, 06:53 PM	#29
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Why for the love of god would you use the hydrophones while at periscope depth if you can see the ship with your own eyes thru the periscope .