Tour de Farce

[Skybird]

McEnroe vs Connors, and later - popular over here - the duels between Leconte and Becker - those were the times!

It's not always that becoming old means to glorify the past. I think many things 20 or more years back really were much better in fact. It seems many people agree on that, at least over here.

Jimmy Connors - a warrior soul who nevertheless never took the game overly serious and always had time for a smile, but still putting his heart into the match. It's just that he seemed to know that there is more valuable things in life than just tennis. I loved to watch him. What is he doing today?

[HunterICX]

If I see the Sport news on the TV
I,m wondering

if its the Tour de France
or a Game show ''Whois doping!?''

[Thniper]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

If I see the Sport news on the TV
I,m wondering

if its the Tour de France
or a Game show ''Whois doping!?''

You mean "Who is not doping?"

As long as there's money in the business you'll have doping all the time.
Cycling isn't a sport anymore, it's just another form of making money.
And the cyclists are the ones who get the smallest piece of the action.

Same goes for other sports like football, athletics, etc.

[tycho102]

Originally Posted by Skybird

obviously the show is more important for them than consequent anti-doping policies.

How serious could an anti-dope policy have been , if the control of the system was left for the most to those criminal figures who previously had made a system of doping? Did anyone really believe that people who used needles and blood conserves all of a sudden would say "Okay, let's clean it up", and immediately would make a 180° turnout and stick to their words? That assumptions was naive, and ridiculous.

Also, what worth have anti doping policies - if you follow them, and the others not?

The competition still is distorted, and unfair.

Protection of the health of individual athletes is not really necessary for acchieving that.

Of course, other nations will send massively doped athletes as well.

It's not just the Tour, the Tour just seem to be the tip of the iceberg, imo.

And that'S why I say: stop the hypocricy around sports.

I would like to see doping not only being legalised, but to make it obligatory for every professional athelete. Be honest to the audience, and let every young talent know from the very beginning what he is heading into.

Christ, dude. Here I was going to go down through and respond to all those other statements, and then you blew that one out of the water with the two correct sentences. You know, from time to time, you're fairly locked-on.

"Sports" haven't changed. They are still designed to find the people with the best genetic predisposition. In the 21st century, that will be the people who are most able to tolerate the synthetic drugs and hormones. Eventually this will swing over to bionics and depressed immune systems.

I don't much care, except that some of these......advances have application to combat infantry. And it's as good a place as any to test new, unapproved drugs that can bypass the screening system. The screening system is important because it forces corporations to develop new drugs and hormones that are not yet detectable. I've no opinion of whether it's right or wrong, other than everyone should simply be aware of the system's functionality and purpose.

However.

I don't care to see the system applied to children, such as the 10 year old gymnists that everyone uses in the Olympics. Professional adult athletes are responsible for their own choices, but bastards need to be executed for pumping stuff into the kids.

[micky1up]

sorry your wrong sport has changed over the years AGENTs have got involved make sport a money thing when before it wasnt so now its about fee's and the agents CUT

[Heibges]

When did Borg ever smile?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Heibges

When did Borg ever smile?

When he assimilated Wimbledon.

[corleonedk]

Whitout doping there wont be any Tour de france left,because you wont have the riders that attract tv audience.Riders like Indurain ,armstrong,riis, ect,those who seem super humans.The leadership of the tour knows that,the trick is to seem like they are doing something about it.

Michael Rasmussen did not get kicked,because he was doped.He got kicked because some journalist said he saw him in Italy,something that has yet to be proven at all.That made the Tour leadership afraid of another doping case,and told Rabobank to whitdraw him.In other words eighter do it,or get the whole team kicked.If he was doped or not and he properly was,is not the case here really.He tested negative in all test both before and during the race..Right now he is home building his defense,and the real fun will begin if he can prove he was in Mexico by his passport like he said he was.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Update: new tour leader and owner of the yellow shirt is Alberto Contador from team Discovery channel. He is a known customer of the doping doctor Fuentes and therefore even shouldn't have been given permission to start at the tour at all.

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Not the truth Skybird, your slandering the guy.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by corleonedk

Michael Rasmussen did not get kicked,because he was doped.He got kicked because some journalist said he saw him in Italy,something that has yet to be proven at all..

Very well spoken.
The lynch party is there before the judge has spoken.

[micky1up]

Originally Posted by Fish

Very well spoken.
The lynch party is there before the judge has spoken.

maybe but the actions are not of an innocent man you would protest vermently looks like he just accepted it and left

[corleonedk]

Well imagine he can actually prove them wrong..Then what..A major lawsuit against Tour de France and his old team,his old team suing Tour de france..And what will the riders do,knowing it could hapend to them aswell..Will they risk having their lives destroyed,just because of rumors and maybe false statements by journalists..It could destroy the tour aswell,they left themselves wide open by acting in panic like this.This would never have hapend under the old tour leadership..Its going to be interesting to follow this in the coming days.

Like in every sport there is and will always be doping,and the only way they could ever stop it in Tour de France is shutting the race down for good.And the chance of them doing that,is equal to me hitting a fishing boat form 10k km distance 1st shot.Unless every major TV station decide they wont cover the tour anymore,but then they will cover something else.And guess what.

[corleonedk]

Originally Posted by micky1up

maybe but the actions are not of an innocent man you would protest vermently looks like he just accepted it and left

The man got his life destroyed,and is in shock understandably..He said that he will respond to this in a day or two..He is not totally clean,he did get 2 warnings from ICU.But that itself isn't a big deal,he is not the first to receive warnings.But it was enough for the press to smell blood and demand his head,and up pops a journalist and say he saw him in Italy..And no one wonders why he didn't say anything before.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Fish

Not the truth Skybird, your slandering the guy.

No, his name is black on white on a list of customers by Fuentes. It has been reported repeatedly in the media these days, and there was a full articvle in a German biker magazoine as well. but it is not only us Germans saying so. In the main, it is the Spanish examiners.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Fish

Very well spoken.
The lynch party is there before the judge has spoken.

No, by international regulations, you are obligated to make yourself available to doping tests, even if they are surpsising. He repeatedly evaded that by making wrong statements about where he was going to conduzct training, and thus doping controlers were unable to find him. By the sport's regulation, a certain ammount of failed dates for doping tests are counted as doping, and he has been seen in training places were he was not expected, and in hiding training dresses that obviously were meant to help evading that his staying location becomes known. His team fired him becasue he lied to the team's managers about his training locations as well. As a pro being payed several hundred thousand dollars per year, he certainly knows the regulations. If he forgot them, he is an idiot who brought his whole team into discredit. If he remembered them, he must allow the question why he tried to evade the controllers so hard and so often.

Fish discovers his heart for the sport, it seems If so, help to clean up the pigsty - don't play it down.