VIIB or VIIC - Page 2

ReallyDedPoet · 06-27-07, 04:52 PM

Welcome

Tom

When playing SH3, VIIC is my preference, they did not call them workhorses for nothing,
plus lots of upgrades

RDP

Iron Budokan · 06-27-07, 05:54 PM

Cool upgrades, faster dive time, plus frauleins dig the VIIC.

MENTAT · 06-27-07, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GibsonSG

I am driving a type VIIB at the moment (1940), out of Wilhelmshaven. I don't have enough reknown yet, but there is a type IX available...any thoughts on that one? I have never had one. Would I be better off saving up for a VIIC?

The worst part of IX models is they send you to the end of the world. Then you are bored to death en routé.

06-27-07, 06:17 PM

Welcome to subsim!

I love my VIIB, this is a great boat and great crew, newer took serious damage from depth charges, always brought us home safely and it's middle of 1941 now.

However I'm looking forward to upgrading to C in some time just to change it to C/41, also without a deckgun (maybe it will be gone from my B with the next patrol). I play as realistic as possible, sometimes I have no time to dive, just need to defend myself (like I don't dive or move, only calm sea during external reloads - so I barely do this). Also the historical fact of improvements and reliability in C model. Just this. In other case I would stick to my beloved VIIB!

PS Can't remember but when I was commanding a VIIC it was diving about 300m? My VIIB starts to bend at more than 250m so I would say it's her limit...

PS2 How about superchargers? Were they historically used? 21kt, wind in your hair, sweet!

joegrundman · 06-27-07, 07:27 PM

If you start in 1940 from a french port, your default sub is a VIIB, rather than a VIIC. The reknown needed to pay for the arguable "upgrade" to VIIC is significant, compared to the more immediate concerns of getting batteries, engines and hydrophones upgrades.

Is this realistic? I mean, by late 1940, the VIIC was in full production and the VIIB was being phased out, no? Would new commanders have been given older uboats, or just put straight into the VIIC?

TarJak · 06-27-07, 08:36 PM

Why choose? Just start a career with each type and then play the one you want whenever you want. I don;t think that there are really better or worse types just different types. Vive la difference!

joegrundman · 06-27-07, 10:14 PM

Perhaps I'm missing something. When i start the campaign in 1940, although i can choose which sub i want, i am selected to have the VIIB already. If I want to start with the VIIC i have to pay the 7500 reknown, which is too much, given my starting reknown of 500

CapZap1970 · 06-27-07, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

Perhaps I'm missing something. When i start the campaign in 1940, although i can choose which sub i want, i am selected to have the VIIB already. If I want to start with the VIIC i have to pay the 7500 reknown, which is too much, given my starting reknown of 500

Just in case: Even if you are able to buy it or anything else, don't do it before you finish your first patrol... or else...

CapZap

Tobus · 06-28-07, 02:26 AM

I like both boats, but think the differences between VIIb and VIIc are trivial. If you start your career with a II, go to a VIIc instead of a VIIb. If you start your career with a VIIb, try to survive until the VIIc/41 comes available. It's the same as a normal VIIc, but can safely dive to 300 meters (undamaged boat), a depth you'll need from the end of 1942.

MENTAT · 06-28-07, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

Perhaps I'm missing something. When i start the campaign in 1940, although i can choose which sub i want, i am selected to have the VIIB already. If I want to start with the VIIC i have to pay the 7500 reknown, which is too much, given my starting reknown of 500

Plus the engine, battery, hytdrophone etc. upgrades, it skyrockets the renowns spent.

By the way, If you complete the academy, it give 1000 renown bonus =1500 renowns.

MENTAT · 06-28-07, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobus

I like both boats, but think the differences between VIIb and VIIc are trivial. If you start your career with a II, go to a VIIc instead of a VIIb. ...

IIA is a junk. it has an extremely low range and torpedo load. and with that suplement, it will be pain i the ass to upgrade to a VIIC. No deck gun and with 5 torpedoes, i hardly manage to sink more than 1 ships. And if i am lucky, i will manage 2 ships. Usually, you are out of juice before you spend all your torpedoes so i often find myself returning to base with spare torpedoes.

Penelope_Grey · 06-28-07, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

If I want to start with the VIIC i have to pay the 7500 reknown, which is too much, given my starting reknown of 500

The VIIC costs 3000 renown. I'm guessing that is a IXB you are pricing which do cost 7500 but the IX's get cheaper every year.

Also, if you want a higher starting renown, all you need to do is complete 2 or 3 exercises in Naval Academy with your profile and you will then start with 1500. I did Navigation, deck gunnery, and flak gunnery.

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Originally Posted by Tobus

I like both boats, but think the differences between VIIb and VIIc are trivial. If you start your career with a II, go to a VIIc instead of a VIIb. If you start your career with a VIIb, try to survive until the VIIc/41 comes available. It's the same as a normal VIIc, but can safely dive to 300 meters (undamaged boat), a depth you'll need from the end of 1942.

You'll only get that diving depth if you use SH3 commander by the way. Because in game, the VIIC/41 is just a clone of the standard VIIC. Might I recommend Cobalts VIIC/41 player sub?

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Originally Posted by MENTAT

IIA is a junk. it has an extremely low range and torpedo load. and with that suplement, it will be pain i the ass to upgrade to a VIIC. No deck gun and with 5 torpedoes, i hardly manage to sink more than 1 ships. And if i am lucky, i will manage 2 ships. Usually, you are out of juice before you spend all your torpedoes so i often find myself returning to base with spare torpedoes.

I will not have people dissing the Type II's! LOL Oh, you forgot that its slow onthe surface without the engine enhancement.:rotfl:

My older brother started a career in a IIA when he got GWX, I thought he was nuts! Due to all the reasons you list there. However, GWX affords 3 reloads for the type II's

What you do manage to sink in a Type II is just that, very very precious.

The IIA are not great at all, but lets take a look at the IID.

What advantages..
Fastest Crash Dive of all.
Has enough fuel to go from Kiel to the North Atlantic, and back.
Try pinging and depthcharging that!
Can harbour raid.
Dives pretty deep as well, can safely reach about 180m before you get probs.
Turns on a whim! Extremely agile surfaced and submerged.
Can be kitted with some essential gear to aid survival, like Radar detectors.

IMO the type II is seriously underestimated! The IIA is not great, far from it, but the IID deserves a bit of adulation.

Canovaro · 06-28-07, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by IrischKapitan

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

VIIC offers far more by way of technological advantages. All the best gear.

Yes good point.... My tip is stay with the VIIB until the end of 41, then upgrade to the VIIC and get all the fancy gizmos

I agree

Jimbuna · 06-28-07, 05:58 AM

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The worst part of IX models is they send you to the end of the world. Then you are bored to death en routé.

Check your SH3 map and try travelling via the predicted convoy routes

danlisa · 06-28-07, 06:07 AM

I'll back Penny about the Type 2.

Having always used the Type 9's, I found myself using the IID (during testing) in the Black Sea. All I can say is that I was missing out.

It's a brillaint little boat, yes it has limited torpedos but it certainly makes up for it in evasiveness (

). To date, I have run 3 patrols in the Black Sea and have returned home with no less than 18000 tonnes on each patrol. Each patrol was about 6-7 days long. Great theatre for a quick 'hit & run'

This is definatley an understated boat in SH3/GWX and it may keep my attention for awhile but it will be hard for me to move away from the long range patrols of the Type 9.

06-27-07, 04:52 PM	#16
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Welcome Tom When playing SH3, VIIC is my preference, they did not call them workhorses for nothing, plus lots of upgrades RDP __________________ Back in the Day

06-27-07, 05:54 PM	#17
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Cool upgrades, faster dive time, plus frauleins dig the VIIC. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

06-27-07, 07:27 PM	#20
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	If you start in 1940 from a french port, your default sub is a VIIB, rather than a VIIC. The reknown needed to pay for the arguable "upgrade" to VIIC is significant, compared to the more immediate concerns of getting batteries, engines and hydrophones upgrades. Is this realistic? I mean, by late 1940, the VIIC was in full production and the VIIB was being phased out, no? Would new commanders have been given older uboats, or just put straight into the VIIC? __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

06-27-07, 10:14 PM	#22
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Perhaps I'm missing something. When i start the campaign in 1940, although i can choose which sub i want, i am selected to have the VIIB already. If I want to start with the VIIC i have to pay the 7500 reknown, which is too much, given my starting reknown of 500 __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

06-28-07, 06:07 AM	#30
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	I'll back Penny about the Type 2. Having always used the Type 9's, I found myself using the IID (during testing) in the Black Sea. All I can say is that I was missing out. It's a brillaint little boat, yes it has limited torpedos but it certainly makes up for it in evasiveness ( ). To date, I have run 3 patrols in the Black Sea and have returned home with no less than 18000 tonnes on each patrol. Each patrol was about 6-7 days long. Great theatre for a quick 'hit & run' This is definatley an understated boat in SH3/GWX and it may keep my attention for awhile but it will be hard for me to move away from the long range patrols of the Type 9. __________________

06-27-07, 06:17 PM	#19
Hadrys Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Welcome to subsim! I love my VIIB, this is a great boat and great crew, newer took serious damage from depth charges, always brought us home safely and it's middle of 1941 now. However I'm looking forward to upgrading to C in some time just to change it to C/41, also without a deckgun (maybe it will be gone from my B with the next patrol). I play as realistic as possible, sometimes I have no time to dive, just need to defend myself (like I don't dive or move, only calm sea during external reloads - so I barely do this). Also the historical fact of improvements and reliability in C model. Just this. In other case I would stick to my beloved VIIB! PS Can't remember but when I was commanding a VIIC it was diving about 300m? My VIIB starts to bend at more than 250m so I would say it's her limit... PS2 How about superchargers? Were they historically used? 21kt, wind in your hair, sweet!

06-27-07, 08:36 PM	#21
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Why choose? Just start a career with each type and then play the one you want whenever you want. I don;t think that there are really better or worse types just different types. Vive la difference!

06-28-07, 02:26 AM	#24
Tobus Lieutenant Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 260 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I like both boats, but think the differences between VIIb and VIIc are trivial. If you start your career with a II, go to a VIIc instead of a VIIb. If you start your career with a VIIb, try to survive until the VIIc/41 comes available. It's the same as a normal VIIc, but can safely dive to 300 meters (undamaged boat), a depth you'll need from the end of 1942.