Warming on hold.......cooling on the way?

[Tchocky]

Eh, good for you?

topic?

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Eh, good for you?

topic?

The topic is that we can only see weather (as tenuous as the evidence is) in the past not the future. Can your weathermen forecast two weeks out? Ask yourself based on common sense; if I cannot get an adequate forecast for two weeks how can I get one for ten or 100 years?

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

The topic is that we can only see weather (as tenuous as the evidence is) in the past not the future. Can your weathermen forecast two weeks out? Ask yourself based on common sense; if I cannot get an adequate forecast for two weeks how can I get one for ten or 100 years?

Read my previous post. Weather is not equal to climate. They are not interchangeable terms.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Read my previous post. Weather is not equal to climate. They are not interchangeable terms.

OK, if the terms are not synonomous, the question remains the same. If I cannot get an adequate record since the beginning of the industrial age; with all the regulation in the last 50 years, and scientist calling for a new ice age in the '60-'70, what does one believe? Not to mention ones ability to buy onesself out (carbon credits). Its about the money nothing more. The beauty is that the more folks like yourself scream about global warming the more money I make and the more poor the poor will get. Thanks

The really great thing is that the more I argue my point the more the global warming folks put into the cause and the more money I make. Thanks again!!!

[baggygreen]

I wonder if the dinosaurs had the same sorts of dilemmas..

t-rex: gosh guys, stop playing with the volcano taps already, youre making the earth too hot and its playing hell with my complexion!

stegosaurus: oh stop your whining, the volcanoes would be going anyway, theres nothing different that we're doing

t-rex: oh yes there is guys, i'll make a video and make a thousand squillion dollars out of it and scare you all

stegosaurus: poppycock trexy baby, we're not gonna make the world hot - look, that bigass meteor is about to vapourise half of us and freeze the rest! so its a load of rubbish!

[August]

Originally Posted by waste gate

The topic is that we can only see weather (as tenuous as the evidence is) in the past not the future. Can your weathermen forecast two weeks out? Ask yourself based on common sense; if I cannot get an adequate forecast for two weeks how can I get one for ten or 100 years?

Forecasts and recorded temperatures are not the same thing waste gate.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

OK, if the terms are not synonomous, the question remains the same.

Originally Posted by waste gate

OK, if the terms are not synonomous, the question remains the same.

Eh?

You asked a question about climate, working from data on weather. I corrected you, and now you say it doesn't change anything?

bleh

I'll have a Royale with Cheese

Thanks august, I know forecast is the future and recorded means the past.

To clear my thoughts for everyone.
Scientists called for a new ice age in the '60-'70. Thirty/forty years later the scientists are calling for a global warming catastrophy. I think neither are or were true.

I'd just like to thank all those involved, carbon credit markets, activists, and the disenfranchised for allowing me to make money and enjoy a better life. Your efforts, no matter how misguided are very much appreciated.


thank you
wg

Originally Posted by baggygreen

I wonder if the dinosaurs had the same sorts of dilemmas..

t-rex: gosh guys, stop playing with the volcano taps already, youre making the earth too hot and its playing hell with my complexion!

stegosaurus: oh stop your whining, the volcanoes would be going anyway, theres nothing different that we're doing

t-rex: oh yes there is guys, i'll make a video and make a thousand squillion dollars out of it and scare you all

stegosaurus: poppycock trexy baby, we're not gonna make the world hot - look, that bigass meteor is about to vapourise half of us and freeze the rest! so its a load of rubbish!

Evidence seems to point that Dinosaurs liked to talk about phillosiphy(sp?)

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by waste gate

To clear my thoughts for everyone.
Scientists called for a new ice age in the '60-'70. Thirty/forty years later the scientists are calling for a global warming catastrophy. I think neither are or were true.

You sound just like these guys.

EDIT: Incidentally, we are having here in Israel unseasonably cold weather and buckets of rain that no one even twice my age recalls ever seeing here at this time of year.

[moose1am]

The proof of Global Warming is in the Pudding. If your data were accurate the Glacial Ice would be building up not Melting at both the North and South Poles.

But you see the Ice IS MELTING. There is proof Positive that even a moron can see. So why don't you note this simple fact. Anyone that tries to argue otherwise must have some AGENDA! Again the polar ice caps are proof positive that the earth is WARMING NOT COOLING.

Originally Posted by waste gate

Isn't it amasing how the earth cools itself without the intervention of humans?!!!

If this isn't evidence of how human activity isn't the cause for any warming, what is?

[wireman]

"bahhh, bahhh" says the sheep.

[micky1up]

heres a bit of news scientist claim that mars is showing signs of global warming ! with no humans on mars or cars or factories or life what causing the warming i would suggest the same thats causing the warming on earth

[Skybird]

One must not go as far as to the poles to see ice melting. The Alpes is close enough. All glaciers have dissappeared, or have lost 60-80% of their size from less than fifty years ago. Experts examining it (last but not leat hired by the toursim industry) say the remaining glacier will have completely idssapeared in 20-30 years at the latest. within that time frame the Alpes are expected to be snow-free. If you want to do skiing in the Alpes, no matter what country, you better do it now.

Anyhow, recent findings showed that the polar ice is melting much, much faster than previously projected.

In Germany we had the warmest April since the beginning of weather recordings. Agriculture has suffered early, some regions loose up to 50% of the next harvest - and summer even has not begun. The May so far is drowining in rain, again almost to record levels in some regions, which again does damage, and helps funghis to spread.

Shipping on rivers temporarily had been stopped, due to low water. Normally, the ice-melting should have caused floodings.

Insect- and animal-population spreading patterns, and travel paths of animal species, are changing faster than ever known beforem, due to the massive shifts of climatic zones. Sweet water supply is no longer guaranteed in some regions of central and southern europe.

There are fluctuations, but the general trend cannot be overseen, it yells loud and clearly in your ears - as long as you haven't put wax into them. But for some people it cannot be what should not be. Who cares - the changes take place, wether they like it or not. Personal opinions that it should all be different are completely unimportant here.

What was that...? Ouch - was that a hurt ego crying in pain...?

Man better starts to adopt as best as he can - and that means: he better starts NOW. Else the developement simply will overrun him, and future attempts, having been started too late, simply will get buried by the inner dynamics and increasing pace of the changes. Note that I talk of adopting - not chnaging, not to mention preventing what is happening. It is like travelling on a river in a small canoe, that slowly turns into a a white water, and than turns into dangerous rapids. You better get to the beach and get yourself a paddle before continuing. there is a point beyond which the situation is no longer under your control, and you become a playball on the water, not being able to steer or do the smallest corrections on your course, not to mention to reverse your course or get back to the safe beach. In that situation, you cannot do anything anymore, and you will need to go through all of it, and eventually get killed.

There were several small news reports during the last days that several European science institutions complained about a new offensive being launched from industrial lobbies and "think tanks" financed by political conservatives, that is again about attempting to put established scientific conclusions and raw data as well into doubt, and try to make mockery of reports concluding that starting to seriously act now is very urgent after so many years and decades headlessly being wasted. It is the same pattern that I have described and complained about repeatedly in the past three or four months. the only concern of these people is to prevent changes, guard current intererst, clouding the mind of the public, and make sure that nothing gets done that would change profits, and would cost investements. But the investements that are saved now that way will be needed to be payed some hundred times higher in the future.

Since such acting is doing monumental damage to the global communities, steals trillions of bucks in the long run, and makes mockery of the hundreds of millions of people in third world countries who will pay with their economical existence and with their lifes (floodings, lack of sweet water, droughts, soil erosion), for the sins of the global economical system, I call these agendas to still spread doubts and ignore scientific raw data and trying to concela what is happening right now a criminal intend, and a crime against humanity and all mankind. The responsible people for this, sitting in high political and economical positions, should be sentenced at international tribunals. The damage they do is far more lethal and catastrophical and hurting to the economy than what any terrorist organization ever could hope to acchieve all by itself.

[Skybird]

And Micky comes with the old Mars "argument" again just after I posted. It has been rebuffed time and again, but no matter - bring it forward if it helps your agenda.

micky, are you aware of the different climates and seasonal patterns on Mars and Earth? The differences in weather "rythms" and atmospheres on both planets? Do some Googleing, and you will see why most astronomers LAUGH out loudly about that stupid comparison. I do not waste more time putting it together again.

That argument is what in German is called Stammtisch-Niveau. You could as well make a weather prognosis for the next day on the basis of blue sky and sheep-clouds in Heaven.