Will Ubi release the SH3 SDK? - Page 2

KrvKpt. Falke · 04-16-07, 05:54 PM

Silent Hunter 3 will die without SDK in hands of community.
I hope UbiSoft can see it that way too...

(voted option 2)

fatty · 04-16-07, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Alright. Who put Option 4?! STEED!

Haha, that was actually me. No offence but it was the best-sounding of all of them, and I personally feel there will be no SDK anyway.

Sulikate · 04-16-07, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I doubt it. SHIV uses modified engine of SHIII and releasing SDK for SHIII would also mean that it could be used to mod SHIV. Wait a few years and they just MIGHT release it, but I doubt it.

my thoughts exactly.

Mine too.

ichso · 08-14-07, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sulikate

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I doubt it. SHIV uses modified engine of SHIII and releasing SDK for SHIII would also mean that it could be used to mod SHIV. Wait a few years and they just MIGHT release it, but I doubt it.

my thoughts exactly.

Mine too.

Make that three

But it might be better this way. Some people just wouldn't get to play anymore

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And besides would half of the community be spending more time on downloading upgrades and resolving issues with installing them, posting bugs etc, than actually on playing.

Iron Budokan · 08-14-07, 12:08 PM

I don't think they will, either.

IrischKapitan · 08-14-07, 01:58 PM

Pardon my ignorance but whats SDK? I've no idea what it is..

Jimbuna · 08-14-07, 02:12 PM

Software Development Kit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_kit

bruschi sauro · 08-14-07, 02:17 PM

never

Jimbuna · 08-14-07, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bruschi sauro

never

......................:hmm:

Sigurd · 08-14-07, 03:50 PM

I would doubt it. Even though SH3 has an active mod community, I dont see Ubi taking an interest in letting people mod their game for whatever reason. Its a shame though, games that have a public SDK usually have a very active fan base (even niche games), and large scale mods can and have even gotten the attention of the games developers.

Maybe if we give Ubi GWX and say it could be better with an SDK :hmm:

ichso · 08-14-07, 04:41 PM

If it got even better than now there would be less a reason to buy SHIV or possible followers. So why should they ?

Reece · 08-14-07, 08:25 PM

Maybe someone could ask UBI how much to release the SDK?

If we all pitched, in say $5 each, and since there are thousands of members, we might actually be able to purchase it! I certainly would, could be worth a poll to see how many would actually pay!

johnno74 · 08-14-07, 09:07 PM

I beleive that with some of the tools coming out of the community like S3D we're coming close to the capibilities of the official SH3 SDK.

Everyone here practically begs "we need the sdk, we need the sdk" and I don't think a lot of people realise exactly what a SDK is.

The SDK will be a collection of documentation and tools for editing the data files. It won't magically let us fix all the remaining SH3 bugs, give us wolfpacks, etc etc. A SDK won't let us change hardcoded values. they are HARDCODED into the game engine, and we'd need the full source code for that, and that will most likely never happen (I'd love to be wrong though)

The efforts of the modding crew here in reverse-engineering the structure of the data files is truely impressive. I think if you took all the modding tools developed by the community we're already well over halfway to a full SDK, and progress is still continuing.

ichso · 08-15-07, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by johnno74

Everyone here practically begs "we need the sdk, we need the sdk" and I don't think a lot of people realise exactly what a SDK is.

The SDK will be a collection of documentation and tools for editing the data files. It won't magically let us fix all the remaining SH3 bugs, give us wolfpacks, etc etc. A SDK won't let us change hardcoded values. they are HARDCODED into the game engine, and we'd need the full source code for that, and that will most likely never happen (I'd love to be wrong though) continuing.

That's what I said some time ago in some other thread.
It's mainly the source code that is needed. I thought this thread was about the SDK AND SH3's sources. The SDK is just a way to edit the game code more comfortably but with out this, a SDK is somewhat useless.

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Originally Posted by johnno74

I beleive that with some of the tools coming out of the community like S3D we're coming close to the capibilities of the official SH3 SDK.

But I think you're wrong about this point.
The ability to change things in SH3 by modders mostly referes to edit configuration files, creating new textures or 3D models and some complicated Hexedit tweaks.

To make real changes to the gameplay, change things in the computer's behaviour, in changing weather conditions, the submarine's behaviour, damage model etc, you need the source files to change it there and be able to recompile the changes.

Like now you only got binary files which are really hard to make changes to and many scripted things in config files, which can be changed more easily but control the sim only to a certain extent.
And that's the point at which the source code is needed and a comfortable development enviroment around it would be nice.

You don't necessarily need the SH3 SDK, but as it is built for SH3 it would make things easier.

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr · 08-15-07, 07:12 AM

WTH is SDK ?

View Poll Results: Will Ubi ever release the SH3 SDK?
I think they will	8	5.84%
Its possible, but dont hold your breath	36	26.28%
They wont release it	84	61.31%
This thread insults me. You shame your family and all those you associate with.	9	6.57%
Voters: 137. You may not vote on this poll

08-14-07, 12:08 PM	#20
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I don't think they will, either. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

08-14-07, 01:58 PM	#21
IrischKapitan Ensign Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Waiting for convoys of the coast of Donegal Posts: 227 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Pardon my ignorance but whats SDK? I've no idea what it is.. __________________ ''Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better'' SAVE U 534!! http://www.atlantik-pirat.com/U-534page.htm

08-14-07, 02:12 PM	#22
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Software Development Kit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_kit __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-14-07, 04:41 PM	#26
ichso Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Germany's oldest city alive Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	If it got even better than now there would be less a reason to buy SHIV or possible followers. So why should they ? __________________ My Subskins: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164169

04-16-07, 05:54 PM	#16
KrvKpt. Falke Planesman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Iron Coffin Posts: 195 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Silent Hunter 3 will die without SDK in hands of community. I hope UbiSoft can see it that way too... (voted option 2)

08-14-07, 02:17 PM	#23
bruschi sauro Frogman Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Florence Italy Posts: 307 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	never

08-14-07, 03:50 PM	#25
Sigurd Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Illinois, USA Posts: 140 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I would doubt it. Even though SH3 has an active mod community, I dont see Ubi taking an interest in letting people mod their game for whatever reason. Its a shame though, games that have a public SDK usually have a very active fan base (even niche games), and large scale mods can and have even gotten the attention of the games developers. Maybe if we give Ubi GWX and say it could be better with an SDK :hmm:

08-14-07, 08:25 PM	#27
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,732 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Maybe someone could ask UBI how much to release the SDK? If we all pitched, in say $5 each, and since there are thousands of members, we might actually be able to purchase it! I certainly would, could be worth a poll to see how many would actually pay! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

08-14-07, 09:07 PM	#28
johnno74 Planesman Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 197 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I beleive that with some of the tools coming out of the community like S3D we're coming close to the capibilities of the official SH3 SDK. Everyone here practically begs "we need the sdk, we need the sdk" and I don't think a lot of people realise exactly what a SDK is. The SDK will be a collection of documentation and tools for editing the data files. It won't magically let us fix all the remaining SH3 bugs, give us wolfpacks, etc etc. A SDK won't let us change hardcoded values. they are HARDCODED into the game engine, and we'd need the full source code for that, and that will most likely never happen (I'd love to be wrong though) The efforts of the modding crew here in reverse-engineering the structure of the data files is truely impressive. I think if you took all the modding tools developed by the community we're already well over halfway to a full SDK, and progress is still continuing.

08-15-07, 07:12 AM	#30
Kaleu. Jochen Mohr Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in my sub Posts: 2,741 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	WTH is SDK ? __________________ Gruß