New stupid video scandal in the Bundeswehr

[Smaragdadler]

Wow. That was just spectacular unspectacular.
Da wurde nur mal wieder "ne Mücke zum Elefanten" gemacht.
Go on - nothing to see here...

[TteFAboB]

The mother-insulting-black-van-riding Blacks from Bronx are safe from the German Army. If you have no idea why he chose them you should watch American football and hang around Virginia's forts more often. It's part of that self-denigrating (!) thing. Look at the sarge. He doesn't look like the biggest German guy in the block. I'd understand this as a compliment if it weren't for the mother-insulting part.

I guess there's no similar case with Turks or Muslims as targets, first because it wouldn't make any sense at all - the best Turkish soldiers were kidnapped Europeans and while Muslims got close to victory their armies were defeated in the end - and secondly because if there was the BBC would only mention this video as a small side-note inbetween the dozens of pages about the massive riots and car burning going on and off in Berlim for weeks.

[Skybird]

Mosquitos blown to elephant-size - maybe, but obviously America is not amused. Both the governor of New York and the mayor of the Bronx have adressed the issue.

German: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutsc...477336,00.html

Taken for itself, the military procedure, as being taught here, is - well, I do not see any point in it. All the fuss made of it could easily have been avoided.

The only question is: why was it filmed at all, and obviously intentionally, privately? I think somebody found it funny to misbehave and make a home movie of it. And that really is a stupid idea. Like it was with those bones and skulls in Afghanistan two years ago.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

the best Turkish soldiers were kidnapped Europeans and while Muslims got close to victory their armies were defeated in the end - .

pointless argument. At Vienna the turks were defeated by weather, and they were just so short away from capturing the city (the walls was already made to collapse and the hole in the wall then was desperately defended). And in France they were superior, too - but then were led by greedy generals who did not want to give up all their spoils and loots and acted inorder to protect these treasure, so it all was not synchonized. Karl's army was inferior, and very much so. By all means - the Europeans were extremely lucky. If both battles would have gone with a bit more of reason and accoprding to hwat was to be expected, we all would be Islamic today, no doubt.

Point is: it was no superiority, but simply luck that saved our ancestors, and us.

[Smaragdadler]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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The only question is: why was it filmed at all, and obviously intentionally, privately?
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Yeah it smells. Even more, both the BBC and Spiegel Articles state:

The clip was filmed in a forest in July 2006
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Der Soldat wurde seit dem Vorfall im Juli 2006

So this is almost a year old stuff, taken out of the closet and blown up on international scale.
The question could be asked: To whom is it useful?

[NefariousKoel]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

I really don't get it. A corporal has to be funny once in a while .. what's the big deal?

This "scandal" is just another pointless episode in a long streak of P.C., anti-military bull**** we have to take.

Yep. Slow news day and the politically correct media needed a target. Sickening isn't it?

[GlobalExplorer]

Not sickening - rather detrimental to its cause. Making such a fuss about that kind of juvenile stuff takes a lot of credibility away from the myth: that the Bundeswehr is the major refuge for neonazis in germany.

I mean which army isn't in leaning to the political right? The Bundeswehr is certainly one of the tamest armies in the world, an achievement of a hyper sensitive media.

I actually laughed when the recruit asked "Wo muss ich nochmal .. ?", cause I thought the purpose of the video was to ridicule the Bundeswehr - which it perfectly did. A complete dumb**** with ridiculous camouflage frantically fumbling on his MG - against soldiers like this, even the Swiss Army could conquer Germany any day

[DeePsix501]

These news hype are indeed sickening. I'm sure someone has said somthing offensive to someone in any military atleast once. On further reading about this in American news sites, it makes me even more sad the way Sharpton and Jesse Jackson hide in the bushes and wait for someone to say somthing that can be taken as racism against black people. Then they pop out and demand that person be fired from their job and publicly humiliated.

I just wish the news reported news. Is that so much to ask?

[Heibges]

This goes along the lines of "more careers are ended in the O/NCO's Club, than are ever ended in the Field."

When I went through US Army Basic Training in 1988, my Drill Sergeant was singing that oldie but goodie, "See the Lady in Red." In some adjacent parkinglot at Fort Knox, there happened to be a lady in a red dress. Two hours later my Drill Sergeant was standing tall before the man, an was no longer allowed to sing cadences.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

I actually laughed when the recruit asked "Wo muss ich nochmal .. ?", cause I thought the purpose of the video was to ridicule the Bundeswehr - which it perfectly did. A complete dumb**** with ridiculous camouflage frantically fumbling on his MG - against soldiers like this, even the Swiss Army could conquer Germany any day

You sound like you´ve never been a recruit. I had zero previous experience with firearms, just like 99.9% of my comrades, and I was nervous and totally clueless the first times I used the MG, assault rifle, pistol and RPG. Just like the guy in the video.

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by Skybird

the Europeans were extremely lucky.

The Turks were also extremely lucky Europeans didn't have machine-gunners back then. He's training with a machine-gun. He can take 50 Ottoman musketeers down and dozens of pikemen, swordsman or whatever weapon they were holding at that battle. Given enough ammo, a few spare-barrels and a little more training, he can hold one breach in the wall alone at least untill the Turks start using the pile of bodies as meat shields to his bullets.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

The Turks were also extremely lucky Europeans didn't have machine-gunners back then. He's training with a machine-gun. He can take 50 Ottoman musketeers down and dozens of pikemen, swordsman or whatever weapon they were holding at that battle. Given enough ammo, a few spare-barrels and a little more training, he can hold one breach in the wall alone at least untill the Turks start using the pile of bodies as meat shields to his bullets.

So what? Don't get why you point at the obvious. We all know (do we?)the machine gun was not invented before the late middle of the 19th century. If the Romans would have had helicopter gunships, the battle in the Teutoburger Wald maybe would have gone differently.

[TteFAboB]

So telling the rookie that an Ottoman square-formation of innacurate musketeers or lancers is walking towards him puts no greater pressure on his neck than a platoon of care-bears would, while a black van of death full of scary armed guys stopping right in front of him is a little more motivational. That's why I suppose the BBC has an example of a sarge talking about blacks but not about Turks. The only example with Turks would be Turkey shoot, be it the old Ottomans or an unarmed angry mob of young rioters, unless the guy wants to cause a diplomatic incident and go direct for the "there are Turkish soldiers from the Turkish armed forces right in front of you, now shoot them".

[Skybird]

I don't have a clue what you are aiming at. as a matter of fact more and more of the young ones over here do not even know anymore who the Ottomans were. we are lucky if they can read and write without too many mistakes, and know how to calculate divisions and multiplications, and maybe in sports can walk backward in a straight line and without stumbling over their own feet. Fact!

[GlobalExplorer]

New developments: Today in the morning news there was a side note that the sarge was fired from the bundeswehr.

Of course the verdict was like "the instructor who was filmed during racist practices has been immediately removed from duty", so the public will be pleased .. as if it mattered that he was just making a stupid, harmless joke.

"Now you're in the Bronx and you're attacked by three tall black afromaericans. For every burst you will shout 'mother****er!' "

I guess you hear ten times more racist remarks from any black drill instructors in the Us Army or elsewhere.


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