sh3 into sh4? - Page 2

ReallyDedPoet · 04-09-07, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mush Martin

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

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Originally Posted by clayton

I'm tired of the Atlantic. This post would be better served over at the SH3 forum!

Me too. The Atlantic theatre and German U-boats are boring at best. If you like SH3, there's another forum that deals in that department. Back-conversions of SH3 as SH4 is an OK idea for you guys still stuck on SH3. But if you haven't noticed, this forum is for SH4 users. Take your SH3 ideas to the proper forum please.

Nope. I think I will post the idea right here.

I'm not at all interested in addressing posts/ thoughts regarding "This country's subs... or that country's subs are better than..."

Just because you... or someone else is bored with the Atlantic, does not mean that there is no place for people who ARE.

Now before you light the match... I think that you guys aren't thinking big enough.

Think of having a big "toggle-switch" that will allow you to bounce between both theaters basically at will... using the SH4 engine.

Enormous work? Yes.

Feasible? Oh yes.

Attitude problems directed against U-boat OR American sub enthusiasts in either the SH3 or SH4 forums can POISON the well. There are many elements of SH4 that will be familiar to modders making the switch from SH3. When you have a closed mind just because you are tired of a thing... Well, at the end of the day you are only shooting yourself in the foot.

Look at the big picture of what MIGHT be. To heck with limited scope.

Amen to that kpt

That would be quite the option, both of these great sims at your finger-tips, makes perfect sense. Whoever takes it on, good luck, your efforts will be appreciated big-time

RDP

Alex · 04-09-07, 12:21 PM

Nice quote, Ducimus.

Please can I express what I think about this thread ? :hmm: :p
You SH4 players are now bored of playing in the Atlantic Ocean, that's ok, no problem. And personnally I think nobody here wants to annoy you with SH3 unceasingly.

But GWX is simply an incredible amount of work and the ultimate expansion for this game, then no doubt the dev team does not want its work to be forgotten, and secondly I think it's normal to speak about this game in the SH4 workshop, cause later we all will play GWX ported to SH4, but after all GWX is a SH3 expansion.

Cheers !

clayton · 04-09-07, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Nice quote, Ducimus.

Please can I express what I think about this thread ? :hmm: :p
You SH4 players are now bored of playing in the Atlantic Ocean, that's ok, no problem. And personnally I think nobody here wants to annoy you with SH3 unceasingly.

But GWX is simply an incredible amount of work and the ultimate expansion for this game, then no doubt the dev team does not want its work to be forgotten, and secondly I think it's normal to speak about this game in the SH4 workshop, cause later we all will play GWX ported to SH4, but after all GWX is a SH3 expansion.

Cheers !

Not all of us!

Not the ultimate expansion. This is not Subsimgwx.com

Allow me to harp SH4 on the SH3 board and not port my messages back here!

We now have our Pacific, you keep your Atlantic!

Now, bring it on you pansies :rotfl:

Hartmann · 04-09-07, 12:32 PM

Agree with Kpt. Lehmann

bigboywooly · 04-09-07, 02:27 PM

Tis no different to people wanting and getting Pacific aces for SH2

After just having the PTO in SH1

HunterICX · 04-09-07, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Tis no different to people wanting and getting Pacific aces for SH2

After just having the PTO in SH1

Just come to think of it, thats a good point.

if you just put them in order

Sh1: PTO
SH2: Atlantic+PTO
SH3: Atlantic
SH4: PTO+Atlantic(ofcourse when the time comes)

Ducimus · 04-09-07, 05:29 PM

AOD was atlantic too. German Uboats are still overdone. I just don't understand why people don't give the pacific and US subs a chance and explore it a bit more. Particuarly when some peoples favorite past times in SH3, (harbor raiding or encounters with captial ships) are acutally elements that are far more common in the pacific theater to begin with.

Hartmann · 04-09-07, 06:00 PM

Well everybody is free of install or not a mod, the people who want only a pacific campaign don´t have to install a possible future mod.

I think that there is a better thing of have the pacific or atlantic scenary... is have both in the same game and be able to choose.
Also in the future some people could be tired of the pacific and wants go to atlantic again with the sh4 graphics and gameplay.

A good quote for a possible atlantic pacific campaign merge could be :

Dedicated to all those that fought and died in the sea during the WWII without distinction of nationality

Ducimus · 04-09-07, 06:16 PM

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Dedicated to all those that fought and died in the sea during the WWII without distinction of nationality

That would probably be a good quote. Theres an implied sense of bias that bordelines on bigotry when turning a fleet boat game into a uboat game. At least thats how i percieve it. I feel as if an important chapter of my nations history is being belittled, and i really don't like that at all. Which is why i tend to react negativley to these threads.

partyboy · 04-09-07, 06:56 PM

I'm not bored with the Atlantic, and I would love to see a U-Boat campaign using the SH4 engine. Simple preference; nothing to do with patriotism. Silly to try and make it about that.

clayton · 04-09-07, 07:06 PM

Burned out with the Alantic.
It's time for the Pacific!!!

Would love to see all those modders come over to the light, the force, Gods chosen few, the Right -- well, at least when SH4 get's a good patch!

HunterICX · 04-10-07, 03:32 AM

Well if the modders accomplish getting the Atlantic in the SH4,
that would mean people who just CANT leave the Atlantic will buy SH4 and try the Mod,
its only more profit for Ubi and the Devs of SH4

that could mean a new subsim in the future.
and also for the modders its a good challenge to practic their modding skill in SH4 by converting a whole new hunting ground into a game that is only in limited in the pacific

if I,m correct it doesnt matter if your in a U.S Submarine or in a German U-boat its about ''The Hunt, The Sinking and Victory!''

HunterICX

P_Funk · 04-10-07, 06:06 AM

Exactly, Hunter. I don't buy this whole "it dishonours the American Fleet Boats if you want to play U-boats with SH4". Its about entertainment. Its just a game. I do learn alot about history this way too but it isn't a memorial to me. A memorial is somber and doesn't exploit the spectacle of war for mass scale enjoyment.

Plus in the end if you make a U-boat mod for SH4 then you'll likely grab a bunch of SH3 guys and get them to buy SH4 but in the process I'm sure that they'll try the Pacific Theatre too. I know I will when I get it.

04-10-07, 08:42 AM

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That would probably be a good quote. Theres an implied sense of bias that bordelines on bigotry when turning a fleet boat game into a uboat game. At least thats how i percieve it. I feel as if an important chapter of my nations history is being belittled, and i really don't like that at all. Which is why i tend to react negativley to these threads.

Sorry El Duci old chap but I have to strongly disagree with you here - especially the "bordelines on bigotry" bit. I'll be honest up front and say that I have little to no interest in the Pacific War and never have had. I do not see America's war with Japan in the same way I see the war in Europe. In fact I personaly think the Pacific War was more of a side show in comparison, speaking purely geopolitically.

But my views on the above are irrelevent to the real reason why I disagree with you. SH4 is a game, regardless what the manual says. War isn't a game, far from it. So to see SH4 as some form of iconic effigy for the Pacific War is quite worrying, and is detrimental to the sacrifices made by all sides during the war.

SH4 is simply a game, why not mod it for the Atlantic ? Why not mod it for WWI as well while we're at it ? Its just a game, its essentially just a graphics engine with some parameteres in flat files...its nothing more.

Ducimus · 04-10-07, 10:39 AM

It's not the game, it's people intent behind it. It has been said by some people that, "US subs suck" or "the americans didnt do anything" or "Nothing happened in the pacific" and even seen somewhere, "I dont want to play as an american", and other such rott that makes my blood boil. Converting SH4 into Sh3, is acting on those ignorant and bigoted motives. how now your not just saying it, your acting on it. Sad to say, thats how i feel about it, and i really can't help how i feel.

04-09-07, 12:21 PM	#17
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Nice quote, Ducimus. Please can I express what I think about this thread ? :hmm: :p You SH4 players are now bored of playing in the Atlantic Ocean, that's ok, no problem. And personnally I think nobody here wants to annoy you with SH3 unceasingly. But GWX is simply an incredible amount of work and the ultimate expansion for this game, then no doubt the dev team does not want its work to be forgotten, and secondly I think it's normal to speak about this game in the SH4 workshop, cause later we all will play GWX ported to SH4, but after all GWX is a SH3 expansion. Cheers ! __________________

04-09-07, 12:32 PM	#19
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Agree with Kpt. Lehmann __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

04-09-07, 02:27 PM	#20
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Tis no different to people wanting and getting Pacific aces for SH2 After just having the PTO in SH1 __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

04-09-07, 06:00 PM	#23
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Well everybody is free of install or not a mod, the people who want only a pacific campaign don´t have to install a possible future mod. I think that there is a better thing of have the pacific or atlantic scenary... is have both in the same game and be able to choose. Also in the future some people could be tired of the pacific and wants go to atlantic again with the sh4 graphics and gameplay. A good quote for a possible atlantic pacific campaign merge could be : Dedicated to all those that fought and died in the sea during the WWII without distinction of nationality __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

04-09-07, 07:06 PM	#26
clayton Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: At your mom's house... Posts: 571 Downloads: 218 Uploads: 0	Burned out with the Alantic. It's time for the Pacific!!! Would love to see all those modders come over to the light, the force, Gods chosen few, the Right -- well, at least when SH4 get's a good patch! __________________ Active member of the 'Church of SH4'

04-09-07, 05:29 PM	#22
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	AOD was atlantic too. German Uboats are still overdone. I just don't understand why people don't give the pacific and US subs a chance and explore it a bit more. Particuarly when some peoples favorite past times in SH3, (harbor raiding or encounters with captial ships) are acutally elements that are far more common in the pacific theater to begin with.

04-09-07, 06:56 PM	#25
partyboy Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 106 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I'm not bored with the Atlantic, and I would love to see a U-Boat campaign using the SH4 engine. Simple preference; nothing to do with patriotism. Silly to try and make it about that.

04-10-07, 03:32 AM	#27
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Well if the modders accomplish getting the Atlantic in the SH4, that would mean people who just CANT leave the Atlantic will buy SH4 and try the Mod, its only more profit for Ubi and the Devs of SH4 that could mean a new subsim in the future. and also for the modders its a good challenge to practic their modding skill in SH4 by converting a whole new hunting ground into a game that is only in limited in the pacific if I,m correct it doesnt matter if your in a U.S Submarine or in a German U-boat its about ''The Hunt, The Sinking and Victory!'' HunterICX __________________

04-10-07, 06:06 AM	#28
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Exactly, Hunter. I don't buy this whole "it dishonours the American Fleet Boats if you want to play U-boats with SH4". Its about entertainment. Its just a game. I do learn alot about history this way too but it isn't a memorial to me. A memorial is somber and doesn't exploit the spectacle of war for mass scale enjoyment. Plus in the end if you make a U-boat mod for SH4 then you'll likely grab a bunch of SH3 guys and get them to buy SH4 but in the process I'm sure that they'll try the Pacific Theatre too. I know I will when I get it. __________________

04-10-07, 10:39 AM	#30
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	It's not the game, it's people intent behind it. It has been said by some people that, "US subs suck" or "the americans didnt do anything" or "Nothing happened in the pacific" and even seen somewhere, "I dont want to play as an american", and other such rott that makes my blood boil. Converting SH4 into Sh3, is acting on those ignorant and bigoted motives. how now your not just saying it, your acting on it. Sad to say, thats how i feel about it, and i really can't help how i feel.