[REQ] Medals & Ranks?

[GoldenRivet]

Im all for a mod like that - the medals in the game are pretty fictional.

[Tigrone]

I think many of the things we think are oversights are actually intended for some reason. Someone spent time and effort developing them. But, why? It seems very arbitrary. Why the fake US medals if real ones are there?

Originally Posted by Lukemb

The real US Navy medals are here:

C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Gui\Medals

The fake medals are here:

C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Data

located in 2 files:
AwardsItems_1.dds
AwardsItems_2.dds

You might be able to use a DDS graphics editor to copy and paste the real ones on the 2 files the game is using.

Hope this helps.

[Lukemb]

I agree with you Tigrone, too early to speculate on the reason why they included the real medals but for now the game is using the fictional ones.

>>> An update,

last night I found 2 more sets of fiction medals, they are located in:

\Data\Textures\TLowRes\tex\badges.dds

and

\Data\Textures\TNormal\tex\badges.dds

this files seem to be compatible with real medals file.

Over the weekend I'll try to substitute the files with the fictional medals with the real ones and see if the medals can be displayed correctly on the game.

[fullmetaledges]

Originally Posted by Lukemb

I agree with you Tigrone, too early to speculate on the reason why they included the real medals but for now the game is using the fictional ones.

>>> An update,

last night I found 2 more sets of fiction medals, they are located in:

\Data\Textures\TLowRes\tex\badges.dds

and

\Data\Textures\TNormal\tex\badges.dds

this files seem to be compatible with real medals file.

Over the weekend I'll try to substitute the files with the fictional medals with the real ones and see if the medals can be displayed correctly on the game.

i got them working in the medal box but i'munsure where to find where i can change the name of the medals as well as where i can change the medal pictures for the crew.

[NonWonderDog]

The names should be in Data/Menu/Menu.txt, lines 5150-5156. I belive they should be:

5150=Medals
5151=Distinguished Service Medal
5152=Purple Heart
5153=Bronze Star
5154=Medal of Honor
5155=Silver Star
5156=Navy Cross

Perhaps it should be "Navy Distinguished Service Medal" -- I don't know if that's what it's really referred to as or if that's just to differentiate it from the ones for the Army and Air Force. I don't know if the game gives these in the right order either, or whether the order it uses is from before or after 1943.

[fullmetaledges]

ok i will change it later, how's about the dds file for the crew screen so i can change the medals there know where thats at?

[Tigrone]

The correct order for the ones listed below is:

Medal of Honor
Navy Cross
Distinguished Service Medal
Silver Star
Bronze Star
Purple Heart

The Purple Heart obviously is not associated with wounds in the game but is being used as a simple decoration, but it is a pretty medal, so it's OK by me. The Navy Commendation Medal or Asiatic Pacific Campaign Medal would be more appropriate.

We'll have to play with them to see how the game sorts them.

5150=Medals

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by fullmetaledges

i got them working in the medal box but i'munsure where to find where i can change the name of the medals as well as where i can change the medal pictures for the crew.

A bump for this.

Changing the medals out will be one of the first things I do when I get the game next week, so it would be nice to have the medal changes also apply to the crew screen.

[GSpector]

I just picked up my copy Friday and the 1st thing I did was look for the list of Medals & Ranks and seems I was not the only one shocked.

For quite some time, I've collected pictures and history of the Medals from around the world due to my fascination with them.

I still need to upgrade my Video Card. I have a GeForce 5700LE with 256mb on board.

I was hoping to see if these pictures could be changed, I am very happy to see they can be.

[walsh2509]

Originally Posted by Tigrone

Has anyone looked at the, yuk, medals and , shudder, ranks? The ranks are not accurate at all for the time. The medals are just cracker jack box trinkets.

Can we lose the 2 top Chiefs, these ranks did not exist then, and gain a Lt. Commander and a Warrant? Probably not though, these are probably hard coded, but could the 2 senior Chiefs become Warrants 1 & 2, if there have to be 9 enlisted ranks?

The seaman ratings are not quite right either .

The medals:
Campaign Star look vaugly familiar but I don't have clue what it is.
The Submarine Service medal looks sort of like commendation
The Medal of Valor looks a lot like a Soviet Order of Glory
The Victory Cross looks most like a George Cross
The Wound Medal is simply a generic Purple Heart like thing without George.
The Patrol Star models a Silver Star pretty closely.

I wonder if some one official objected to real US decorations being used? I think this kind of thing is just childish.

[GSpector]

Okay, I think I see why they did not use the real names.

These Awards are for the U.S. Submarine Force, not the U.S. Navy.

Now all, U.S. Medals are actually the property of the U.S. and therefore the Citizens. If they could not get permission to use the name U.S. Navy in time for release, then it stands to reason that they decided not to use the U.S. Navy Medals. They may have created both images just in case they received such permission. They may have included both sets so that we could switch if we wish to on our own and also have them ready in case they received permission at a later date.

All Military hardware/weapons are also property of the U.S. Citizens but maintained by the Military. For those that remember the F-22 Rapture Sim by NovaLogic, they tried to trademark the name to prevent all other Developers from using the F-22 Aircraft in any other Sim. They lost the fight because it was not there property to licence. It was learned at that time, any U.S. Citizen can use the likeness of any U.S. Property just as long as they do not make either the Country, the U.S. Military or the Company that built or designed the property look bad.

Now, using the Military Branches is probably were the problem started. The Department of the U.S. Navy can control the use of their name. They probably could have used the Medals and Ranks but why if you can't use the name U.S. Navy.



Just my 2¢ worth.

[Barkhorn1x]

Originally Posted by GSpector

Now, using the Military Branches is probably were the problem started. The Department of the U.S. Navy can control the use of their name. They probably could have used the Medals and Ranks but why if you can't use the name U.S. Navy.



Just my 2¢ worth.

Good info.

So...to sum up - the real medal files do in fact exist in the sim. So...how does on go about replacing those "trinkets" in the screenshots above w/ the real deal?

[fullmetaledges]

If I could figure out which file to modify for the crew medals and how to change the wording of the citation because I think it doesn't make too much sense. I also don't know how to make this jgsme compatible I would release it but I havent done any sh3 or sh4 mods before so I'm not too experienced, if someone could fill me in i'd appreciate it.

[MadMike]

Here's an example of a citation for award of the Navy Cross-

#1: June to August 1943 — off Palau and the Caroline Islands
Lieutenant Commander Davenport (U.S. Navy, 72345) received his first Navy Cross award for service in August 1943 off Palau and the Caroline Islands while serving on the U.S.S. Haddock during World War II:

Roy M. Davenport
Citation For extraordinary heroism as Commanding Officer of a United States Submarine during operations against enemy Japanese forces in the Pacific Area. Throughout numerous hazardous war patrols in enemy-infested waters, Lieutenant Commander Davenport pressed home his attacks with cool and courageous determination and despite intense and persistent hostile opposition, succeeded in sinking over 10,500 tons of enemy shipping and damaging over 35,500 tons. His aggressive fighting spirit, inspiring leadership and the splendid efficiency of the men in his command contributed immeasurably to the success of our operations in this vital area and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_M._Davenport

Yours, Mike

[hyperion2206]

Did you guys make up the text that accompanies the medal, cause in the German version you only get the medal but without the text which is quite disturbing (at least for me).