Who has cancelled their order!

[Meco]

Put a deposit on SHIV at the local game store. Will arrive Friday 23rd.

I will buy it as intended, but I think I may just wait to install it untill I see a patch released to avoid the frustrations im reading about.



I really am not in any rush to play SHIV.. to have it yes.. to play it.. not really. I am currently imersed in another game atm that is pretty open ended, and of a more galactic nature.

http://www.egosoft.com/games/x3/info_en.php

So ill buy SHIV, ill set it asside and keep an eye on these forums and wait for a patch. With luck I suspect a patch will be out mid June.

There is life beyond SHIV, I don't plan to entertain feelings of anamosity over it, nor will I cancel my order of SHIV. Gota support the devs for that golden patch.

[OneTinSoldier]

Nice pic. But I can see that I would be facing shimmering and jaggies, which to me, personally, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself... I find unacceptable in a sim made in the year 2007.


Now, if the game actually delivered a 3D rendering at 1600x1200 on my system, and not upscaled from 1024x768, then it would help towards reducing the shimmering/jaggies, which are especially pronounced with distant objects. Although an actual, real, higher res wouldn't totally alleviate the jaggies and shimmering it would help and I would be willing to purchase the game, if it were real!

But I have been convinced it's not and that the advertised higher resolutions are faked by being upscaled from 1024x768 by the evidence and testimony that's been presented on the forum here. To me, upscaling from 1024x768 is a practice in deception, a lie, a cheat. I for one am taking a stand against this and Voting 'NO' by voicing my protest here on the forum and with my wallet.

If evidence and testimony comes forth showing that the higher resolutions are in fact 'real' and not just upscaled, then I apologize. If that happens and if they promise to finish the game, then I will likely purchase it.

[flintlock]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Nice video. Thanks for sharing that!

I was getting a little sea sick as you were IDing that first ship with the recognition manual. Now that's immersion!

Hey everyone, don't cancel so fast. Some great mods are being released for SH4 as we speak (check out the SH4 mod forum). SH4 will get better after a few patches. Don't worry so much about the jagged lines. Gameplay is more important anyways. The modders will once again save SH4 from a certain death.

[OneTinSoldier]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

As I get more familair with SH4, I'm liking it more and more. We should here about a patch soon that will fix the major issues. SH3, SH2, SH1 all had bugs and unfinished features and were upgraded and patched. Don't any of you fellows remember the sub vs sub and rescue pilot missions that were in the SH1 manual but not in the game, until they released the Patrol disc #1?

Hey, it comes down to one thing: how much you like submarine games. To hell with Ubisoft's politics and promises, just gimme the game.

On another note, with Elite Hunter's help,

Wel Neal, I can understand and empathize with your exuberant enthusiasm. But you have asked/said yourself when will we customers stop accepting bug-ridden, unfinished at release games? You said you don't know.

Well I know.

I draw the line at being deceived about the higher resolutions advertised in the game. Obviously, where people draw the line is entirely up to them. For me, it's this kind of deception.

And as long as people are willing to hand over money for bug-ridden, unfinished software, then I'm sure that companies will be will happy to oblige. That much I'm so sure of that I feel safe in saying, I know. However, things might change if customers stop doing that! I don't want to see an end to the Silent Hunter series, but I don't want to be handed unfinished work for my money and be made to feel I should be thankful and happy for it.

Although some might be fine with getting whatever they deliver because "it's all we have, there is no other competition/choice". That's fine. But I think people should know what they're getting though, and from what I hear and see, not only is SHIV unpolished, it's unfinished!

Should we be happy about that?

[Spaxspore]

this photo recon crap is gettin annoyin... no one else has done it?

[d@rk51d3]

Originally Posted by stabiz

The sea does, but the sub doesnt.

Ditto. Been watching a couple of in game vids, and it looks like all the effort went into the water effects. Everything else looks nice, as long as youre not focusing on it. Still, I'll probably end up rushing out and buying it. Either that or STALKER.:hmm:

[Reece]

Neal Said:
As I get more familair with SH4, I'm liking it more and more. We should here about a patch soon that will fix the major issues. SH3, SH2, SH1 all had bugs and unfinished features and were upgraded and patched. Don't any of you fellows remember the sub vs sub and rescue pilot missions that were in the SH1 manual but not in the game, until they released the Patrol disc #1?

Hey, it comes down to one thing: how much you like submarine games. To hell with Ubisoft's politics and promises, just gimme the game.

You have no idea Neal as to the amount of time, nail chewing, pacing floor, reading threads, spent on this one game. I value your input as well as a lot of others and this just makes it even more frustrating! ... What to do ... what to do!
Would you believe me if I said I phoned back to replace the order as it turns out the collectors edition is not due in till the 23rd!!:hmm:
Lucky they had done nothing yet! or is it!

[geetrue]

Way to go Reece ... welcome back ... if I had a whistle I would pipe you back on board ...

Were all in the same boat so to speak ... now that's funny if you think about it. :rotfl:

[cappy70]

Nice video Neal,,teased me even more.....

I say again,I've been into sooo many debates about videocards and tech. stats of AA, resolutions, drivers, and final stats of games.
I played SH3 to "death" and it is still on my HD and patch/GWX it gave new breath into the game and it became like a "reborn" game, again although, I don't remember that many disasters with the original not-patched SH3,,yes,granted there were some annoying bugs that need to be fixed, but hey, where are we today with SH3?

Now I'll take this to the tech.level: When it comes to graphic cards one can see these similar "game-software-debates" hit "videocard-hardware-debates": TO MUCH JAGGIES with my videocard; This videocard is a disaster and soooo on.

My point is: All of us in here with so many different PC configs. can for sure produce as many different effects/bugs/none-wanted-effects in a game as we can ask for and blame the game to some extent, but how our computer look like inside/config is another thing, housekeeping, etc,etc,.

Like the other day: I had a USB port in front of my computer that was faulty and it produced stuttering in games when it installed my new keyboard.
Clean out the closed CAB files and you'll see what magic that does,,,,use a program called "Ace Utility". FreeRegistryFix I can also recommend.

Basic game problems is one thing that shows up over and over again from different configs.
I.e. r e a l BUGS.....................

[Der Kolkrabe]

I'm waiting my SHIV and don't cancelled it.

There been always games, that when published they have bugs...

[TDK1044]

I will continue to support the Silent Hunter series by purchasing each new addition to the series. Do I think these games should be in a healthier state at the time of release...absolutely, but Silent Hunter 3 patched to 1.4 and moderately modded was quite superb in my view.

The only person you're punishing by not buying the game is yourself. Ubisoft are not going to worry at all if a handfull of people in the subsim forums (and that's all it would be) choose not to purchase the game on a point of principle. That's your choice and I respect it, but it's also your loss. You don't improve a game by not buying it, nor does a handful of people not buying Silent Hunter 4 in any way influence Ubisoft's decision regarding Silent Hunter 5. The game either meets its projected sales target or it doesn't.

[piperprinx]

I could have lived with 1024 *but* with AA.
I could have lived wuthout AA *but* with higher resolution.
Resolution stuck on 1024 without AA is IMHO a commercial suicide in 2007.

In my 27" 1920*1200 display SH4 is simply HUGLY. And I'm not only playing next gen titles, I used to play with recent re-release of Close combat or emulators too.

Probably on CRT or LCD with lower resolution the situation it's not so terrible.

Mine's going back.

[LIGHTNING]

I just got my copy this morning and I admit I have only played it for about an hour or so but so far I`m impressed. I`m running it at 1440x960 and It looks stunning, I think some people need to take some pills regarding this AA issue! The rocks and the algae give the ocean a more organic feel and the sailors onboard the ships again help with the immersion. As for the bugs pretty much every game that is released these days has bugs at launch time. If I returned every game I bought a launch time that had bugs all I would have to play is Freecell and minesweeper.

[RocketDog]

I cancelled my order once I realised it was going to be stuck in 1024x768 with no FSAA.

Re: bugs, any new release is bound to have bugs. All the games I really enjoy have had serious bugs on release. But in the simulation market I think we all now accept this and are prepared to wait for things to get fixed by the developers or user community. Nobody should not buy a sim because of bugs. But there's an important difference between IL-2/SH3/Lock-On/FS2004 etc and SH4. With SH4 it's not clear that the resolution and FSAA issues actually are bugs (i.e., unintended) or that they are even fixable at all. Maybe a dll hack can change the resolution or maybe not. In fact, the simple dishonesty of the devs about the resolution suggests that they know they have a problem.

So for the moment I will just play SH3-GWX and watch the SH4 forums here to see if the problems get cleared up.

Of course, in the end I'll probably crack and buy it anyway .

Cheers,

RD.