FSAA/Anti-aliasing/Major resolution problem (merged) - Page 2

NefariousKoel · 02-21-07, 12:08 AM

I'm thinking the engine for SH4, since it's based on SH3, will have the same setup. I could be wrong, though. Perhaps forcing it works?

Ark · 02-21-07, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

I'm thinking the engine for SH4, since it's based on SH3, will have the same setup. I could be wrong, though. Perhaps forcing it works?

I hope so.

Forcing FSAA in GRAW and Vegas doesn't work though (my biggest worry being this scenario).

Heck, give me SH3's graphics with transparent water and dynamic shadows and I'm happier than a pig in ....... lol

Ark · 02-21-07, 02:12 AM

Hmm, my hopes are somewhat renewed. I've been watching some little vids here and there, and it looks as if there are videos without the post-processing effects, BUT with the dynamic shine and whatnot. There does appear to be FSAA in the videos that are available (though it is hard to tell for sure), but I'm not sure how old/new the videos are. From the video on the Marinesims page (Dev Diary 2, IIRC), there doesn't appear to be much shimmering which is inherent with a lack of FSAA (though the there does appear to be quite a bit of jaggies/shimmering present on the sub cables). This leads me to beleive that either; A) The video was created before the Post-Pro. effects were added in, B) The Post-Pro. effects have been disabled, or C) FSAA does work with Post-Pro. enabled, but itwas too dark to the really see the Post-Pro.effects.

Seth, can you please n here and lay this issue to rest?

Guido · 02-21-07, 02:20 AM

you guyz do know that the current hardware could only do one or the other, its not ubis fault, on the 360 of course it could do both with its unified architecture.
The new 8800 can also do both, fear not ye sea dogs............ upgrade upgrade upgrade. lol

EDIT : btw If shift page up turns on bloom, does pressing it again disable it? as it didnt seem to on my vista x64 install.

Ark · 02-21-07, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Guido

you guyz do know that the current hardware could only do one or the other, its not ubis fault, on the 360 of course it could do both with its unified architecture.
The new 8800 can also do both, fear not ye sea dogs............ upgrade upgrade upgrade. lol

Actually, Post-Processing effects and FSAA doesn't work due to a limitation within the modified Unreal2 engine. Ubisoft said so in the GRAW and Vegas forums a while back. It isn't a hardware limitation. The only questions that remain, are if SHIV uses this same/similar engine, and how our newer cards will handle this software limitation. Nobody but the Devs, Ubi, and the Beta testers really know for sure.

If the newer hardware can do both at the same time, and this negates the limitation within the software, then GREAT. I have a shiney new 8800 GTX that hasn't been installed yet just waiting to surface.

However, the hardware can be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but if the software can't do it, the hardware won't be able to change that.

Time will tell.

With regards to your "bloom" question (I'm guessing you are referring to SH3?), I think if you hit it a few times it changes the intensity...until you get to the "off". I haven't checked in a while though, so I'm not positive.

Guido · 02-21-07, 02:39 AM

ahh cool, thanks for that, I will try later.

yes, agreed hardware wont help much if it is indeed software limited, oh the complexities of modern submarine warfare!

Boris · 02-21-07, 03:56 AM

I don't think we should be worried. The gameplay tralier from gamespot seems to have AA turned on. The cables on the ships look too full and smooth, if AA was turned off they'd appear as pixelated dots.

Gizzmoe · 02-21-07, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark

Seth, can you please n here and lay this issue to rest?

The beta testers have signed a NDA and can´t give you any informations.

Boris · 02-21-07, 10:47 AM

Here... looks pretty smoothed out to me. This sould alay some fears.

flintlock · 02-21-07, 12:13 PM

That last screenshot looks fine (in a 4:3 kinda way). There's other media out there where things look pretty smooth too. For code testing purposes or whatnot, AA may simply be off to not unnecessarily tax the hardware.

Ark · 02-21-07, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by flintlock

That last screenshot looks fine (in a 4:3 kinda way). There's other media out there where things look pretty smooth too. For code testing purposes or whatnot, AA may simply be off to not unnecessarily tax the hardware.

Hmmm, good point. I didn't think of that. We'll find out soon though I imagine.

One of the members at the Official Silent Hunter forums at Ubi's site added my question to the "Ask the Devs" thread, so maybe we will here some official word soon.

flintlock · 02-21-07, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ark

One of the members at the Official Silent Hunter forums at Ubi's site added my question to the "Ask the Devs" thread, so maybe we will here some official word soon.

Good stuff. It certainly would be nice to get an official response, rather than all the rampant speculation.

Barkhorn1x · 02-21-07, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by flintlock

Good stuff. It certainly would be nice to get an official response, rather than all the rampant speculation.

I agree w/ you in principle but must point out that if it wern't for rampant speculation there would be a total of about 5 posts a day on this board.

Barkhorn.

Boris · 02-21-07, 05:13 PM

This speculation is fun. Nothing like waiting for a game or mod to come out.

flintlock · 02-21-07, 05:46 PM

For mods, I have all the patience in the world, for new games -- not s much.

02-21-07, 12:08 AM	#16
NefariousKoel Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: No-good Missouri scum Posts: 1,223 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I'm thinking the engine for SH4, since it's based on SH3, will have the same setup. I could be wrong, though. Perhaps forcing it works? __________________ "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different." - Jack Handey

02-21-07, 02:12 AM	#18
Ark Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fresno, CA. Posts: 581 Downloads: 95 Uploads: 0	Hmm, my hopes are somewhat renewed. I've been watching some little vids here and there, and it looks as if there are videos without the post-processing effects, BUT with the dynamic shine and whatnot. There does appear to be FSAA in the videos that are available (though it is hard to tell for sure), but I'm not sure how old/new the videos are. From the video on the Marinesims page (Dev Diary 2, IIRC), there doesn't appear to be much shimmering which is inherent with a lack of FSAA (though the there does appear to be quite a bit of jaggies/shimmering present on the sub cables). This leads me to beleive that either; A) The video was created before the Post-Pro. effects were added in, B) The Post-Pro. effects have been disabled, or C) FSAA does work with Post-Pro. enabled, but itwas too dark to the really see the Post-Pro.effects. Seth, can you please n here and lay this issue to rest? __________________ Ark -------------- Vista 64-bit SP1 Asus P6T Deluxe mobo Core i7 920 @ 3.8ghz 6GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 Evga GTX 285 SSC SB X-FI Fatality 640GB WD "Black" Dell 3007WFP-HC 30" LCD / Acer 23" H233H

02-21-07, 02:20 AM	#19
Guido Loader Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Englande Posts: 84 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	you guyz do know that the current hardware could only do one or the other, its not ubis fault, on the 360 of course it could do both with its unified architecture. The new 8800 can also do both, fear not ye sea dogs............ upgrade upgrade upgrade. lol EDIT : btw If shift page up turns on bloom, does pressing it again disable it? as it didnt seem to on my vista x64 install. __________________ Cant sink, wont sink........................

02-21-07, 02:39 AM	#21
Guido Loader Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Englande Posts: 84 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	ahh cool, thanks for that, I will try later. yes, agreed hardware wont help much if it is indeed software limited, oh the complexities of modern submarine warfare! __________________ Cant sink, wont sink........................

02-21-07, 03:56 AM	#22
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I don't think we should be worried. The gameplay tralier from gamespot seems to have AA turned on. The cables on the ships look too full and smooth, if AA was turned off they'd appear as pixelated dots.

02-21-07, 10:47 AM	#24
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Here... looks pretty smoothed out to me. This sould alay some fears.

02-21-07, 12:13 PM	#25
flintlock Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That last screenshot looks fine (in a 4:3 kinda way). There's other media out there where things look pretty smooth too. For code testing purposes or whatnot, AA may simply be off to not unnecessarily tax the hardware.

02-21-07, 05:13 PM	#29
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	This speculation is fun. Nothing like waiting for a game or mod to come out.

02-21-07, 05:46 PM	#30
flintlock Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	For mods, I have all the patience in the world, for new games -- not s much.