How do you deal with air attacks?

shegeek72 · 01-10-07, 03:59 AM

I'm on a 1942 patrol, IXC, CB grid off the coast of Amerika (damn long, boring trip

), assignment: patrol CB16. The planes are more deadly in GWX that makes it more challenging, which is good.

How do you deal with frequent enemy aircraft attacks and the need to surface to recharge? Especially with flat seas and practically no fog. You cannot stay submerged for hours on end like you could in the stock version. Wondering what other katpitan's strategy is in this case?

Also, what are the protuberances on this plane for? Radar?
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katzenjammer

1. A loud, discordant noise.
2. A hangover.
3. A state of depression or bewilderment.

Pants · 01-10-07, 04:21 AM

One or two planes i engage, more i submerge. As soon as i get the snorkel i use that extensively,Or i use the 37mm's which ever i get first.
Regarding the Wellington, yes those are the radar antenors.

shegeek72 · 01-10-07, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants

One or two planes i engage, more i submerge. As soon as i get the snorkel i use that extensively,Or i use the 37mm's which ever i get first.

My experience has been the planes in GWX are impervious to the flak guns (at least in 1942), even taking direct hits at close range.
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Pants · 01-10-07, 04:35 AM

It is possible to down the planes, even with just two single 20mm, my settings are engage closing targets at maximum range, Always keep on the move and when you see the plane start to dive on you,Goto to full ahead flank and turn hard (eitherway is fine ) and the bombs should miss you.

Ducimus · 01-10-07, 05:47 AM

Ohh, i got the drumbeat routine down to a science.

Your chances of air attack are Less at night. Your chances of an air attack are greatest at dawn/dusk. But thats just about anywhere, in any year.

In short, i submerge at or before first light (check your "local time" tool tip over the game clock), and surface at 0 hour (midnight). Sometimes ill surface earlier, but ill try and stay under as long a possible to miniize my surface explosure time, and to save on fuel. The only cavet being is that when i surface, im at at my greatest state of vulnerablity having both oxygen and batteries at about 60%ish (or more) drained. If i have to dive again in an emergency before replenishing the air and some of the batts, i'll be in a bit of a spot.

Oh ya, a quick way to end a career game is under the following conditions:

- it's Night
- with Heavy fog
- you have No Radar or RWR
- and your surfaced and on the continental shelf

Nothing quite says, "hello" like a destroyer coming out of a night fog, guns blazing because he had you on radar and you coudlnt see him until it was too late.

at any rate, if i see a plane, and hes like 6000 meters away, i crash dive and dont think twice about it.

If hes like 4800 meters away or less, its too late to dive. 4800 meters distance is .. IFFY. its like getting dealt a 16 playing blackjack. In that scenario, ill go to flank speed, position myself to give him my broadside, and as hes about 2000 metesr off, turn into him. (IE if hes on port, ill turn hard to port), idea being to screw his aim and make him miss. the bombs typically fly over the conning tower landing on the other side. At which point, ill straighten the rudder and crashdive RIGHT after the bombs drop and he passes. You have enough time to get under before he sets up for another attack run.

Corsair · 01-10-07, 06:12 AM

Wow, not much time to estimate if plane is 6000 or 4800 m away...
Laser measure ?

AndyW · 01-10-07, 06:58 AM

December 1943: My crew (unexperienced) shot down a Wellington with 1,369 shots with the two 2 cm-AA twins. It took three approaches, the hull integrity went only down by 4%.

June 1942: A Catalina from Malta hits me on her first approach, hull integrity down from 80% to 8%. The a/c was eating the 2cm beans like a hog without taking any harm. Her second approach finished me off, boat lost with all hands.

I'm currently playing in winter 43/44 and don't have a schnorchel (5000 points!). It's no fun. During daytimes I crawl submerged at 50 m and during night I cruise surfaced with 1/3 speed. Nevertheless I had 24 air attacks during 9 nights, but that's relatively "calm" compared to during daytime. METOX and NAXOS are your best friends at night, without them it's a better idea to scuttle your boat by yourself, because you're 100% screwed without them.

My advise: DIVE !!

Even if you shoot 'em down like turkeys, they're too many and are gnawing off your hull integrity piece by piece.

Cheers,

AndyW
currently U-792 König, 1st patrol 12/1943 [SH3 + GWX 1.0 @ 84% realism]
Total: 10 careers, 40th sailing, 856 days at sea, 544,474 tons sunk

Tijn · 01-10-07, 07:47 AM

Does GWX still has the problem of not spawing any planes at TC higher then 256? In stock SH3 there where more planes then in GW 1.1a. How does GWX compare?

fredbass · 01-10-07, 07:49 AM

I may stay surfaced in the very early portion of the war because I know I'll run into a byplane and can easily shoot them down, but other than that, I always dive. Remember, once you've been seen, you're position will now be known. As a result, merchant ships and convoys could possibly change course, making it tougher for you to find them.

JU_88 · 01-11-07, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by shegeek72

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Ahh thats the worst representation of a wellington that ive ever seen in my life.
Yep those are radar antennas.... or tv ariels, old tail-end-charlie doesn't want to miss Eastenders now does he. :rotfl:

You know, the stock sh3 aircraft look so bad they would even be too ugly for an RTS game by modern standards. In fact they kind of remind me of my first airfix distasters when i was 12 yeas old.... actually they still look worse than that even

Ive opened up the obj files in 3dsmax, you know the liberator, wellington and condor were all modelled using the same mesh, discracefull! And as if the meshes werent bad enough, the super low res (and streched) textures just add insult to injury. better crash dive or shoot them down quick before your watch crew go blind from the ugliness.

3Jane · 01-11-07, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shegeek72

I'm on a 1942 patrol, IXC, CB grid off the coast of Amerika (damn long, boring trip

), assignment: patrol CB16. The planes are more deadly in GWX that makes it more challenging, which is good.

How do you deal with frequent enemy aircraft attacks and the need to surface to recharge? Especially with flat seas and practically no fog. You cannot stay submerged for hours on end like you could in the stock version. Wondering what other katpitan's strategy is in this case?

Also, what are the protuberances on this plane for? Radar?
--

katzenjammer

1. A loud, discordant noise.
2. A hangover.
3. A state of depression or bewilderment.

The poles on the rear fuselage are radar. If you mean the two just about in-line with the wings, the small dome would be for sextant 'star shots'. The little bomb shaped thing just ahead of that might be some kind of air-data probe.

bookworm_020 · 01-11-07, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

The little bomb shaped thing just ahead of that might be some kind of air-data probe.

It the radio/DF antenna housing.

01-10-07, 03:59 AM	#1
shegeek72 WAV Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: somewhere in the Pacific Posts: 603 Downloads: 95 Uploads: 0	How do you deal with air attacks? I'm on a 1942 patrol, IXC, CB grid off the coast of Amerika (damn long, boring trip ), assignment: patrol CB16. The planes are more deadly in GWX that makes it more challenging, which is good. How do you deal with frequent enemy aircraft attacks and the need to surface to recharge? Especially with flat seas and practically no fog. You cannot stay submerged for hours on end like you could in the stock version. Wondering what other katpitan's strategy is in this case? Also, what are the protuberances on this plane for? Radar? -- katzenjammer 1. A loud, discordant noise. 2. A hangover. 3. A state of depression or bewilderment.

01-10-07, 04:21 AM	#2
Pants Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Posts: 849 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	One or two planes i engage, more i submerge. As soon as i get the snorkel i use that extensively,Or i use the 37mm's which ever i get first. Regarding the Wellington, yes those are the radar antenors. __________________ Ex GWX Dev Team member and proud GWX user

01-10-07, 04:35 AM	#4
Pants Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Posts: 849 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	It is possible to down the planes, even with just two single 20mm, my settings are engage closing targets at maximum range, Always keep on the move and when you see the plane start to dive on you,Goto to full ahead flank and turn hard (eitherway is fine ) and the bombs should miss you. __________________ Ex GWX Dev Team member and proud GWX user

01-10-07, 06:12 AM	#6
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Wow, not much time to estimate if plane is 6000 or 4800 m away... Laser measure ? __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

01-10-07, 07:49 AM	#9
fredbass Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Port Richey, Fl, USA Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I may stay surfaced in the very early portion of the war because I know I'll run into a byplane and can easily shoot them down, but other than that, I always dive. Remember, once you've been seen, you're position will now be known. As a result, merchant ships and convoys could possibly change course, making it tougher for you to find them. __________________

01-10-07, 05:47 AM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Ohh, i got the drumbeat routine down to a science. Your chances of air attack are Less at night. Your chances of an air attack are greatest at dawn/dusk. But thats just about anywhere, in any year. In short, i submerge at or before first light (check your "local time" tool tip over the game clock), and surface at 0 hour (midnight). Sometimes ill surface earlier, but ill try and stay under as long a possible to miniize my surface explosure time, and to save on fuel. The only cavet being is that when i surface, im at at my greatest state of vulnerablity having both oxygen and batteries at about 60%ish (or more) drained. If i have to dive again in an emergency before replenishing the air and some of the batts, i'll be in a bit of a spot. Oh ya, a quick way to end a career game is under the following conditions: - it's Night - with Heavy fog - you have No Radar or RWR - and your surfaced and on the continental shelf Nothing quite says, "hello" like a destroyer coming out of a night fog, guns blazing because he had you on radar and you coudlnt see him until it was too late. at any rate, if i see a plane, and hes like 6000 meters away, i crash dive and dont think twice about it. If hes like 4800 meters away or less, its too late to dive. 4800 meters distance is .. IFFY. its like getting dealt a 16 playing blackjack. In that scenario, ill go to flank speed, position myself to give him my broadside, and as hes about 2000 metesr off, turn into him. (IE if hes on port, ill turn hard to port), idea being to screw his aim and make him miss. the bombs typically fly over the conning tower landing on the other side. At which point, ill straighten the rudder and crashdive RIGHT after the bombs drop and he passes. You have enough time to get under before he sets up for another attack run.

01-10-07, 06:58 AM	#7
AndyW Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 133 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	December 1943: My crew (unexperienced) shot down a Wellington with 1,369 shots with the two 2 cm-AA twins. It took three approaches, the hull integrity went only down by 4%. June 1942: A Catalina from Malta hits me on her first approach, hull integrity down from 80% to 8%. The a/c was eating the 2cm beans like a hog without taking any harm. Her second approach finished me off, boat lost with all hands. I'm currently playing in winter 43/44 and don't have a schnorchel (5000 points!). It's no fun. During daytimes I crawl submerged at 50 m and during night I cruise surfaced with 1/3 speed. Nevertheless I had 24 air attacks during 9 nights, but that's relatively "calm" compared to during daytime. METOX and NAXOS are your best friends at night, without them it's a better idea to scuttle your boat by yourself, because you're 100% screwed without them. My advise: DIVE !! Even if you shoot 'em down like turkeys, they're too many and are gnawing off your hull integrity piece by piece. Cheers, AndyW currently U-792 König, 1st patrol 12/1943 [SH3 + GWX 1.0 @ 84% realism] Total: 10 careers, 40th sailing, 856 days at sea, 544,474 tons sunk

01-10-07, 07:47 AM	#8
Tijn Loader Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nijmegen Posts: 83 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Does GWX still has the problem of not spawing any planes at TC higher then 256? In stock SH3 there where more planes then in GW 1.1a. How does GWX compare?