Seawolves editorial

[Bis71]

Now I know you

dont

want to hear this but please bear with me. Last September, I started work on an article about possible stolen mods. I asked for volunteers here and one person came forward. I need more. I'm not out to make X1 legally vulnerable but the gaming community needs to know where to get the best mods and where not to spend their money.

If you feel your mods have been ripped off, PM me with details.

Thanks.

[Subwolf]

Well since I bought those mods I mailed their support and asked about this. And the answer was that a few small freeware mods are integrated in the products, with the authors permission. I believe them, X1 is a large publisher of gaming software, why should they lie or do something stupid. And it looks like they are getting pretty sick and tired of these accusations. I don't want another discussion about it, just stating what I think.

[CWorth]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

And it looks like they are getting pretty sick and tired of these accusations.

Truth hurts doesn't it

Originally Posted by Subwolf

I don't want another discussion about it, just stating what I think.

Then dont bring it up if you don't want a discussion on it.

What you think and believe is irrelavant when it is a proven fact that they stole mods..heck one of the people even admitted to having one of sergbutos ship mods in the add-on without his permission over at the SimHq forums.

[Subwolf]

We probably don't need another discussion because we wont agree on this anyway. But this "one of the people" could be any nickname pretending to be one of them.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by CWorth

Truth hurts doesn't it

Then dont bring it up if you don't want a discussion on it.

What you think and believe is irrelavant when it is a proven fact that they stole mods..heck one of the people even admitted to having one of sergbutos ship mods in the add-on without his permission over at the SimHq forums.

There not worth the typeing effort my friend

[Wulfmann]

No one here wants or cares about reality on this subject. They are the Frankenstein mob at its mere mention.

What they do not know and/or refuse to understand is.
The guys that made this are just a couple individuals not a big company (speaking for the Med project and my work helping CombatPlanes, as I never worked with X-1 once) and they only get a small royalty for each sale.

I gave them historical information and offered to beta test it. One reason was so I could see what they were doing and spot anything stolen. I notified them about anything I suspected and they were always glad to remove it and make a new one themselves. But, I simply do not know all the facets so what I missed and they missed became a conspiracy to defraud the mod world. I can assure you Combat Planes did not want anything in that pack that was not authorized but Kristalnacht will continue!

It is simply not on the level of Greywolves and the fact people say they stole from Greywolves when Seawolves was released before the first TGW is further proof facts have no relevance but hatred rules and ignorance is king.

The fact there are many people that do not add mods but will buy an expansion is another offense to the elite cult. I got nothing but condemnation and my only reason to help SW-Med was so those other people would sustain and interest and help promote the series to insure UBI’s continuation and to keep an eye on SW so I could prevent any further misunderstandings.
But, the hate fanboys want me banned because I dared to keep a close watch on SW and gave them some tips.
Even in that SW stated they were not making their pack for serious simmers but more for casual gamers and often ignored my historic advice. That was fine as I understood the purpose.

However, I did what I did because I knew and still believe it was in the best interest for this community and could care less for those small minded, short sighted people that believe making their site “Wulfmann Frei” is any different than 1938 all over again.

Wulfmann

PS, its not "MY" quote but go a head and slame TJ and the rest of our forefathers if you feel better for it

[Subwolf]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

But, the hate fanboys want me banned because I dared to keep a close watch on SW and gave them some tips.

Don't worry, you are not the only one they want banned because you don't agree with them.

The moderators disappears behind PMs about silly complaints, I've had my share in here too, but have yet to PM any mod about it. Can handle a couple of pudels up my legs without running to the mods and hide behind their backs all the time.

[Dowly]

Ffs! Stop crying SubWolf!!! Yes, we dont agree with you that innocent civilians deserved to die, just because they had a fracking lunatic as a leader! Grow up! Judging by your posts, I really doubt that you are a airline pilot! Actually, I really doubt that your age is more than 9years. You dont know anything about the SW incident so stfu!

Originally Posted by SubWolf

Can handle a couple of pudels up my legs without running to the mods and hide behind their backs all the time.

Yea, instead of PMing a mod, you cry about it in public. "Mommy mommy, the guys bully me!! "

[sergbuto]

Originally Posted by CWorth

heck one of the people even admitted to having one of sergbutos ship mods in the add-on without his permission over at the SimHq forums.

Yes, he admitted that on SimHq forums both for Seawolves and SW-Med addons. That person was Leonard Hjalmarson, as I understand the owner of Combat Planes. He was in e-mail and PM contact with me about those mods. I told him that they should not use my mods after the scandal about their intention to release free mods as payware without modders permission but they did it anyway.

I have already described before how anyone can easily check that himself, provided the person really wants the facts, not speculations. Coincidence of 8-digit identification codes for every single object in a number of 3D models in my mods and SW addons tells it all. This coincidence is impossible unless the files were copied.

When the first rumours, that X-1 Software is going to release first Seawolves addons with free mods without modders permission, appeared X-1 Software people denied that. In followed-up discussions owner of X-1 Software Trombke (if I remember correctly the spelling) went as far as making anti-Jewish remarks on UBISOFT's forums and posting porno on Subsim's forums, although later he said that it was done by his younger relative using his nick while he was away.

When it was proved that X-1 Software people are lying about not having free mods without modders permission, they had to remove the mods but they removed only those which were named/pointed out to in discussions and kept the rest, like some of my mods. And they did the same thing for the second addon SW-Med.

Now, if some want to believe this kind of people, represented X-1 Software and Combat planes during SW scandals, that is their choice of the principles in live. But I believe those some will not convince the majority of Subsim forum visitors that X-1 Software and Combat planes people were unaware of their wrong doing with both SW addons.

Now back on topic.

Bis71,
Unfortunately, most of modders who were doing their work on SH3 in the past are not visiting Subsim's forums. They moved on. Therefore, they are unaware of your call. I may suggest to send e-mail to Nico. That is the guy who managed to force Combat Planes people to remove the stuff from SW by threatening to sue them. But I do not know whether all the stuff he was talking about was removed or not.

[Onkel Neal]

Let's keep this thread on topic.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by sergbuto

Yes, he admitted that on SimHq forums both for Seawolves and SW-Med addons. That person was Leonard Hjalmarson, as I understand the owner of Combat Planes. He was in e-mail and PM contact with me about those mods. I told him that they should not use my mods after the scandal about their intention to release free mods as payware without modders permission but they did it anyway.

I have already described before how anyone can easily check that himself, provided the person really wants the facts, not speculations. Coincidence of 8-digit identification codes for every single object in a number of 3D models in my mods and SW addons tells it all. This coincidence is impossible unless the files were copied.

When the first rumours, that X-1 Software is going to release first Seawolves addons with free mods without modders permission, appeared X-1 Software people denied that. In followed-up discussions owner of X-1 Software Trombke (if I remember correctly the spelling) went as far as making anti-Jewish remarks on UBISOFT's forums and posting porno on Subsim's forums, although later he said that it was done by his younger relative using his nick while he was away.

When it was proved that X-1 Software people are lying about not having free mods without modders permission, they had to remove the mods but they removed only those which were named/pointed out to in discussions and kept the rest, like some of my mods. And they did the same thing for the second addon SW-Med.

Now, if some want to believe this kind of people, represented X-1 Software and Combat planes during SW scandals, that is their choice of the principles in live. But I believe those some will not convince the majority of Subsim forum visitors that X-1 Software and Combat planes people were unaware of their wrong doing with both SW addons.

Now back on topic.

Bis71,
Unfortunately, most of modders who were doing their work on SH3 in the past are not visiting Subsim's forums. They moved on. Therefore, they are unaware of your call. I may suggest to send e-mail to Nico. That is the guy who managed to force Combat Planes people to remove the stuff from SW by threatening to sue them. But I do not know whether all the stuff he was talking about was removed or not.

Very good summary.

I think Bis' editorial is a good idea. The problem is substantiating enough facts and evidence. That could be hard to come by. But at the very least, he can interview people who are mod creators and community leaders. Serg's credentials are pretty well-established. I concur that my experience during this period matches his. The porn spamming the forums, the BS Stefan tried to pull on people who came up with the mod ideas and made them work, they blatant disregard for the mod work done by others.

Over the years I have seen a few people plagurize other people's work. In the case of Seawolves/X1, they were caught using Subsim mods without permission. Of course, when the whistle was blown, the X1 guy started e-mailing all the modders and tried to smooth things over by "asking" for their permission with the promise of a complimentary copy of the SW mod and full credit. I know because several modders filled me in on this with documentation.

Maybe Wulfman and SubWolf believe X1 was honest and on the up-and-up, but I was there too, and I came away with a very different opinion.

[Letum]

Thanks for the facts Niel and Sergbuto.


Facts like those speak for them selves and opinions are not necessary.

[Gizzmoe]

Yes, couldn´t agree more!

[CCIP]

I'm afraid I'll have to kill this otherwise decent thread if there are any more posts that are of the same nature as, well, all the ones after the original post.

I really wish jasonb885 was around. Try to PM him - he put together quite a detailed case about the X1 story back in the day. Likewise, try to get in touch with Terrapin, he knows this in solid detail.