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Safe-Keeper · 12-23-06, 07:09 AM

I didn't even know about this feature until I stumbled over it while attacking a Pyro ammunition ship in GWX. Are you telling me it's always been there, in stock, RuB, and GW, without me noticing it

?

If so, then now I feel like the guy who'd played SHIII for a year before he realized you could right-click officers and then use the buttons and switches at the stations they were assigned to

.

But what the Heck - I also went for a year without finding the "." and "," (or "<" and ">", depending) camera feature that allowed you to track units. So what the Heck, maybe I'm just blind. It'd explain a lot:p.

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Somewhere they broke it and have yet to believe that it even exists

Same here, until a while ago:rotfl:.

bigboywooly · 12-23-06, 08:18 AM

Yeah I didnt even know it existed either

FongFongFong · 12-23-06, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Yeah I didnt even know it existed either

found it by reading other posts at the end of October.

the game suddenly changed.
Of course I only got the game in September.

Used this feature extensively in GW1.1a
and its in UBWA 2 too.

Then learned how to get in close and tight with my targets.

Brittish DDs are much fun especially when you use electric torpedoes.

"Looks like another one of our tankers struck a reef"
"Must be rats"

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-23-06, 02:31 PM

Whatever the rate, I must admit to being glad that the ability to target individual regions on enemy ships is not present.

The "lock target" function in SH3 is a convenience that did not exist for U-boatmen in real life.

The ability to lock to the CENTER of an enemy ship is still present and active in GWX. However, personally I never use it when I shoot. I find I am generally more accurate without the lock... and I like the opportunity to miss the target if I am off on my guesses.

Now, we did redesign the invisible 3-Dimensional zones of each merchant ship in GWX. All I can think of is that potentially during this process, the ability of a player to specifically and automatically target individual sections of the ship was rendered inoperable. This may be a by-product of process due to our corrections of the damage properties of ships. (This does not apply to any variation of manual targetting.)

I feel that what has happened... was an inadvertant fix. It is truth for us to say that no deliberate changes were made to the target locking feature in GWX... and removal of the function some users may classify as a bug... to infact be a benefit.

FongFongFong · 12-23-06, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Whatever the rate, I must admit to being and removal of the function some users may classify as a bug... to infact be a benefit.

old definition

any documented bug

is

now

a feature.

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-23-06, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FongFongFong

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Whatever the rate, I must admit to being and removal of the function some users may classify as a bug... to infact be a benefit.

old definition

any documented bug

is

now

a feature.

Whatever. I've answered your statement/bug report or whatever you choose to call it with honesty and candor. I have no intention of working backwards on this matter to "fix" it.

Just because you document something to be a bug... does not mean that infact it is a bug.

I have reviewed all of your posts on the subject and your PM's to me. I don't see it as a real problem one way or the other.

Furthermore, I'm not going to be drawn into a flame war with you. I have far more important things going on this season.

FongFongFong · 12-23-06, 03:07 PM

well it is a loss of functionality that you originally claimed did not exist.

and it is shown to exist

and shown to be missing.

that qualifies as the definition of a "Feature"

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-23-06, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FongFongFong

well it is a loss of functionality that you originally claimed did not exist.

and it is shown to exist

and shown to be missing.

that qualifies as the definition of a "Feature"

Then we have again arrived in the land of "opinion."

In stock SH3 ships are automatically identified to the player via color code. We purposefully disabled that "feature" and do claim this to be a benefit/feature of GWX as well.

Unexpected benefits/features of the GWX mod are recognized as such... unexpected... but not harmful.

Sink them all mate!

FongFongFong · 12-23-06, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

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Originally Posted by FongFongFong

well it is a loss of functionality that you originally claimed did not exist.

and it is shown to exist

and shown to be missing.

that qualifies as the definition of a "Feature"

Then we have again arrived in the land of "opinion."

In stock SH3 ships are automatically identified to the player via color code. We purposefully disabled that "feature" and do claim this to be a benefit/feature of GWX as well.

Unexpected benefits/features of the GWX mod are recognized as such... unexpected... but not harmful.

Sink them all mate!

yes exactly

you intended to do this.
You documented that you were doing this.

There in lies the rub.

The other feature vanished mysteriously.
Once discovered and documented.
You claimed it was a not intended but still a good thing.

So it becomes a documented bug that was promoted into a "Feature".

Pants · 12-23-06, 03:23 PM

Do you use GWX? If you don't then stop complaining, if you Do use GWX then stop Complaining...you get the picture?

Jeez, we do this mod for free and all we get in return is complaining

If you don't like GWX then don't use it..no one is forcing you are they!

"edit" sorry for hijacking the thread Synthesis

FongFongFong · 12-23-06, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants

Do you use GWX? If you don't then stop comlaining, if you Do use GWX then stop Complaining...you get the picture?

Jeez, we do this mod for free and all we get in return is complaining

If you don't like GWX then don't use it..no one is forcing you are they!

I see

"Do it our way or die."

Safe-Keeper · 12-23-06, 03:26 PM

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The other feature vanished mysteriously.
Once discovered and documented.
You claimed it was a not intended but still a good thing.

So it becomes a documented bug that was promoted into a "Feature".

So?

OK, so they unintentionally changed the game so that it become better in their opinion. How, exactly, is that a problem to you?

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any documented bug

is

now

a feature.

Is it just me, or does poor old Lehmann attract rude and immature individuals

? Spooky.

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-23-06, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FongFongFong

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

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Originally Posted by FongFongFong

well it is a loss of functionality that you originally claimed did not exist.

and it is shown to exist

and shown to be missing.

that qualifies as the definition of a "Feature"

Then we have again arrived in the land of "opinion."

In stock SH3 ships are automatically identified to the player via color code. We purposefully disabled that "feature" and do claim this to be a benefit/feature of GWX as well.

Unexpected benefits/features of the GWX mod are recognized as such... unexpected... but not harmful.

Sink them all mate!

yes exactly

you intended to do this.
You documented that you were doing this.

There in lies the rub.

The other feature vanished mysteriously.
Once discovered and documented.
You claimed it was a not intended but still a good thing.

So it becomes a documented bug that was promoted into a "Feature".

You also claimed that I stated the ability to target individual areas automatically did not exist. The statement I made was to the effect that I was not aware of that "feature" existing in SH3. The meaning is completely different.

Anyway, why shouldn't we embrace unexpected finds if they fit within our aims?

If this issue is causing you some sort of grief. Then I suggest you remove the GWX mod and go with something more to your liking.

Again, I have addressed your issue with candor and honesty to the best of my ability.

That is all.

Pants · 12-23-06, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FongFongFong

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Originally Posted by Pants

Do you use GWX? If you don't then stop comlaining, if you Do use GWX then stop Complaining...you get the picture?

Jeez, we do this mod for free and all we get in return is complaining

If you don't like GWX then don't use it..no one is forcing you are they!

I see

"Do it our way or die."

Oh don't talk so bloody stuipid, I'll say it again this time a bit bigger for you "If you don't like GWX then don't use it..no one is forcing you are they"
Last post on this subject

Safe-Keeper · 12-23-06, 03:55 PM

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I see

"Do it our way or die."

The problem is that I and several others have addressed what I consider to be flaws in GWX (such as German cities on land, such as Moltenort, allowing people to dock at them and then find themselves aground come their next patrol) - without being assailed by Lehmann.

Politeness pays. Your childish methods of insulting, puttings words in peoples' mouths, and in general being obnoxious does not. And if you can't convince the team to change their game to your liking, tough luck. Either ask someone to mod it for you, mod it yourself, or uninstall the game. It's really only those alternatives. Whining might be very effective against certain publishers (it got Jedi included in both Battlefront II and Galaxies although both were intended, with good reasons, to be Jedi-free), but to my experience, it does not work on the GWX team.

12-23-06, 08:18 AM	#17
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Yeah I didnt even know it existed either __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

12-23-06, 02:31 PM	#19
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,996 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Whatever the rate, I must admit to being glad that the ability to target individual regions on enemy ships is not present. The "lock target" function in SH3 is a convenience that did not exist for U-boatmen in real life. The ability to lock to the CENTER of an enemy ship is still present and active in GWX. However, personally I never use it when I shoot. I find I am generally more accurate without the lock... and I like the opportunity to miss the target if I am off on my guesses. Now, we did redesign the invisible 3-Dimensional zones of each merchant ship in GWX. All I can think of is that potentially during this process, the ability of a player to specifically and automatically target individual sections of the ship was rendered inoperable. This may be a by-product of process due to our corrections of the damage properties of ships. (This does not apply to any variation of manual targetting.) I feel that what has happened... was an inadvertant fix. It is truth for us to say that no deliberate changes were made to the target locking feature in GWX... and removal of the function some users may classify as a bug... to infact be a benefit. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

12-23-06, 03:23 PM	#25
Pants Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Posts: 849 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Do you use GWX? If you don't then stop complaining, if you Do use GWX then stop Complaining...you get the picture? Jeez, we do this mod for free and all we get in return is complaining If you don't like GWX then don't use it..no one is forcing you are they! "edit" sorry for hijacking the thread Synthesis __________________ Ex GWX Dev Team member and proud GWX user

12-23-06, 03:07 PM	#22
FongFongFong Bosun Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	well it is a loss of functionality that you originally claimed did not exist. and it is shown to exist and shown to be missing. that qualifies as the definition of a "Feature"