Crush depth

[Redwine]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Looks like there is a workaround for the dreaded crash dive bug. You just have to make the weather calmer when you reload. See this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=101482

Many thanks TarJak... i was looking that topic, but i cant understand well, may be my limited english, any way i am not user of any of those two programs.

An in another hand, that not solve the crash dive problem, it happens some times inmediatelly after an incomplete crash dive, not after reload a mission.

Many thanks for help.

[TarJak]

There was some discussion somewhere that you should not interrupt a crash dive or save while in the middle of a crash dive either.

Sorry this wasn't able to help.

[Redwine]

Originally Posted by TarJak

There was some discussion somewhere that you should not interrupt a crash dive or save while in the middle of a crash dive either.

Sorry this wasn't able to help.

Dont worry, many thanks for your help, up to what i know, this bug have no solution yet.

[_Seth_]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

IIA = 152
IID = 157
VIIB = 225
VIIC = 247
VIIC/41 = 247
VIIC/42 = 247
IXB = 216
IXC = 232
IXC/40 = 232
IXD2 = 235
XXI = 285

taken from: http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...tle=Submarines
As it says on that page: "Source: SH3 Manual and for Max Depth SH3 Crush Depth Tool. IXC/40 VIIC/41 and VIIC/42 Found Experimentally."

Im currently on my way to the surface in a IXB after reaching a depth of 289 meters.Heavy flooding, DC hammering all over, hull integrity went down to 88 % before i started surface. Blew all the air into the tanks, full speed ahed at 3 knots. I'll guess there will be a welcome-party topside, so wish me luck....

Edit: Im dead. At 263 meters the hull gave in. Now im sleepin' with the fishes...

[stabiz]

Originally Posted by _Seth_

Im currently on my way to the surface in a IXB after reaching a depth of 289 meters.Heavy flooding, DC hammering all over, hull integrity went down to 88 % before i started surface. Blew all the sit into the tanks, full speed ahed at 3 knots. I'll guess there will be a welcome-party topside, so wish me luck....

Good luck!

Edit: Im dead. At 263 meters the hull gave in. Now im sleepin' with the fishes...

:rotfl:

[_Seth_]

Stupid Depth-charges....... stupid, stupid,stupid depthcharges...
:rotfl::rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by _Seth_

Im currently on my way to the surface in a IXB after reaching a depth of 289 meters.Heavy flooding, DC hammering all over, hull integrity went down to 88 % before i started surface. Blew all the sit into the tanks, full speed ahed at 3 knots. I'll guess there will be a welcome-party topside, so wish me luck....

Edit: Im dead. At 263 meters the hull gave in. Now im sleepin' with the fishes...

Must be nice to know what your hull integrity is!!

[Mauser KAR98K]

I went down to 180 meters yesterday. Had to do it to shake a DD off in the rough waters. Worked real well. Couse my CE called out"...we're approaching Crush Depth sir..."

Since that was the furthest I have dived before, I took his advice and leveled the boat out. I was under the layer and snuck away...hearing the wasserbombs exploded far far away.

Meet a taskeforce later down the road...current that is. Nailed a Corvette and two cargo ships before crashing diving to 140 meters. Unfortuantly this was the first time I ran into a ship with hedghogs Wonderful thing was, they went to deep. The depth charges were a different story thou. One exploded over my stern quarters, I tried to go deeper...too bad my boat couldn't do it

[Corsair]

The crush depth is not a fixed value, it is assuming the sub is not damaged. I lost a type IX not long ago at 140m just because of a little damage to the forward torpedo compartment. And it went fast, didn't have the time to come back up to a safer depth.

[Hybris]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

What is the true crush depth of the different SH3 U-boat types, or in other words...at which depth did you die?

According to the manuals the max depth of a VII is 225m, but I thought it could dive even deeper.

You can always go deeper... now coming back up that maybe a problem...:rotfl:

[AS]

Here´s what I know for sure from various readings (all figures refer to VIIb and c): - unlike the US Navy the German Navy calculated a security factor of 1.5 and 2.5, which means: 100m operational depth - (multiplied by 1.5: 150m maximum depth, e.g. when in danger, multipled by 2.5: 250m calculatzed cruch depth) - the (secret!) crush depth was considered to be around 250m for VIIb/c, but this was a calculted, theoretical figure - several U-Boats, the real U-96 being among them, went much deeper, e.g. U-96 was at about 280m and returned home - later in war, when commanders were more experienced, they normally went to 200m without hesitating, but they were careful not to go way deeper. - today´s scientific calculations estimate the actual cruch depth around 290 or 300m . the BIG problem about crush depth is that the hull didn´t usually just implode ("crush"), but the weak spots became more and more problematic, leading to flooding etc. So the relevant question isn´t so much about "when did the hull actually collapse", but "How ddep could they go without causing so unstoppable flooding"? - whereas SH3 is totally wroing about crush depth, GW is too optimistic, since they have 500m as a standard value. This is certainly exaggerated. I believe in the experience U-96 made and today´s calculation because they both say the same: lethal depth must have been around 300m. Cheers, AS

[Tachyon]

Originally Posted by AS

Here´s what I know for sure from various readings (all figures refer to VIIb and c): - unlike the US Navy the German Navy calculated a security factor of 1.5 and 2.5, which means: 100m operational depth - (multiplied by 1.5: 150m maximum depth, e.g. when in danger, multipled by 2.5: 250m calculatzed cruch depth) - the (secret!) crush depth was considered to be around 250m for VIIb/c, but this was a calculted, theoretical figure - several U-Boats, the real U-96 being among them, went much deeper, e.g. U-96 was at about 280m and returned home - later in war, when commanders were more experienced, they normally went to 200m without hesitating, but they were careful not to go way deeper. - today´s scientific calculations estimate the actual cruch depth around 290 or 300m . the BIG problem about crush depth is that the hull didn´t usually just implode ("crush"), but the weak spots became more and more problematic, leading to flooding etc. So the relevant question isn´t so much about "when did the hull actually collapse", but "How ddep could they go without causing so unstoppable flooding"? - whereas SH3 is totally wroing about crush depth, GW is too optimistic, since they have 500m as a standard value. This is certainly exaggerated. I believe in the experience U-96 made and today´s calculation because they both say the same: lethal depth must have been around 300m. Cheers, AS

U-96 nearly buckled under all that pressure. The bolts were flying off so fast, it was like a pinball game inside the sub. Well, that's German engineering for you, you can push any vehicle to the limit, and have enough time to pray to God before the hull cracks up.

[AS]

I don´t really undrstand what you´re getting at. The question was about actual cruch depth and I gave an answer which I´m pretty sure is quite accurate because I read a lot on the topic (this is why I just refer to the VII types, which I know most about). The fact that U-96 survived 280m implies that a Type VIIc could go that deep, not so hard to understand, is it? Cheers, AS

[danlisa]

If I understand the posted figures and they way SH3 works, these depths are the depths that you will start loosing hull integrity with a previously undamaged boat.

With Stock you will loose hull points fairly quickly and will need to arrest the dive very quickly. IIRC with the supermods the loss is slower so you can afford to linger a little longer.

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by AS

GW is too optimistic, since they have 500m as a standard value. This is certainly exaggerated. I believe in the experience U-96 made and today´s calculation because they both say the same: lethal depth must have been around 300m. Cheers, AS

GW does say 500m on the cfg but that isnt the depth the game uses
Thats there so you dont know