Something fishy here?

AVGWarhawk · 11-24-06, 12:37 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/DANGER-FROM-THE-...QQcmdZViewItem

Correct me if I'm wrong...is this not a free game that is still in development? Something stinks here on EBay.

Jimbuna · 11-24-06, 12:55 PM

I agree with you there AVG

and await further posts with interest mate :hmm:

AVGWarhawk · 11-24-06, 01:01 PM

Yeah man, I was surfing ebay and saw this for bidding. Pretty slick but I think he is caught. Furthermore, I sent a question to the person that is bidding this about it. I await his response.....

I have seen others purchase burned SH3 DVD and being bidded as new on Ebay. I do not want to see another get burned for something that is free or is a fake copy.

AVGWarhawk · 11-24-06, 01:12 PM

Here is his reponse. "You are correct. This is GNU licenced softwar. You can purchase a DVD or download for free." So it seems he is selling burned disks at a profit. Is this a little screwed up or what?

Jimbuna · 11-24-06, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Here is his reponse. "You are correct. This is GNU licenced softwar. You can purchase a DVD or download for free." So it seems he is selling burned disks at a profit. Is this a little screwed up or what?

You said it mate

...But believe me I've seen some seriously weird sh*t on ebay over the years

Respenus · 11-24-06, 02:00 PM

Some people really know no limits!

NeonSamurai · 11-24-06, 02:05 PM

Its not unheard, of the guy is offering freeware for a small amount of money to mail it on a dvd instead of the person ordering it having to download it.

Though not exactly overly classy, he doesnt seem to be trying to charge an arm and a leg for it. Such offers also tend to be quite helpfull for those who dont have a broadband connection.

squirrel777 · 11-25-06, 06:00 PM

Danger from the Deep is released under the GPL, so that anybody can do anything with the software as long as it retains the GPL license. It's therefore totally legal to sell it for a profit, the person doing that doesn't need the approbation of the devs or anyone.
It's a good thing, having other people distribute it increase the visibility and availability of open source software.
A dev team can for example take the DftD source code, add some contents/scenarios and sell that for a profit. Ultimately, it will benefit the community since new content has been developed for everybody to use/modify/resell.
It's exactly how (for example) commercial Linux distributions work, RedHat, Novell, etc... are basically doing just that, selling a collection of selected work from other, making millions $$$ but this is a good thing since they improve the product.
However, apexsoftware is a bit deceiving by not telling their customer the product is unfinished and by not telling it's under the GPL (and therefore available from other sources as well), but if people are willing to buy without checking what the product is first.... it's their own problem!

AG124 · 11-25-06, 06:30 PM

Well, luckily that is how I presented the problem to the dev team. I suspected that ApexSoftware was allowed to make the sales, because of a news article I read once about an arrest of a PC Store owner who was selling copies of some build of Linus - the developers told the police to release the seller because he was not breaking the law (although the police were unhappy about that). The main problem here is, as you said, that ApexSoftware is presenting DftD as being a finished commercial product for Windows, in a factory produced package.

AVGWarhawk · 11-25-06, 06:47 PM

I dig your response squirrel and yourdead on with your response but as AG124 so aptly stated and I mentioned as well, no mention of game in the works, unfinished product, but it is FACTORY sealed. I guess one could consider a Ziploc baggie as factory sealed. A disclosure should be added to the bidding screen or FINE print if you will. I would like to see the response from the DW community on the matter.

TarJak · 11-25-06, 09:27 PM

e-Bay has a simple process for dealing with people who are "operating on the fringes of the law" and that is their rating system. People who buy who feel bad about it later can take out their frustrations in their ratings of the seller.

That said I'd be a bit miffed if I later found out that what I'd bought was incomplete and still in development no matter how much I'd shelled out for it.

AG124 · 11-25-06, 09:34 PM

I assume you are talking about feedback. The problem is, they can do the same to you by leaving you negative feedback after you leave it for them. I think there is a process to deal with purely retaliatory feedback, but they can always make a statement like "buyer was rude and confrontational." There is also mutual withdrawal, but that would make the entire process redundant. Essentially, it wouldn't really work for the situation at hand.

BTW - off topic, but there is an AG124 an eBay - and it isn't me.

Someone from the US got my favorite username and I had to choose another, although that was long before I joined SubSim.

11-24-06, 12:37 PM	#1
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,276 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Something fishy here? http://cgi.ebay.com/DANGER-FROM-THE-...QQcmdZViewItem Correct me if I'm wrong...is this not a free game that is still in development? Something stinks here on EBay. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-24-06, 12:55 PM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I agree with you there AVG and await further posts with interest mate :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-24-06, 01:01 PM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,276 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yeah man, I was surfing ebay and saw this for bidding. Pretty slick but I think he is caught. Furthermore, I sent a question to the person that is bidding this about it. I await his response..... I have seen others purchase burned SH3 DVD and being bidded as new on Ebay. I do not want to see another get burned for something that is free or is a fake copy. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-24-06, 01:12 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,276 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Here is his reponse. "You are correct. This is GNU licenced softwar. You can purchase a DVD or download for free." So it seems he is selling burned disks at a profit. Is this a little screwed up or what? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road Last edited by AVGWarhawk; 11-24-06 at 01:28 PM.

11-24-06, 02:00 PM	#6
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Some people really know no limits! __________________

11-24-06, 02:05 PM	#7
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Its not unheard, of the guy is offering freeware for a small amount of money to mail it on a dvd instead of the person ordering it having to download it. Though not exactly overly classy, he doesnt seem to be trying to charge an arm and a leg for it. Such offers also tend to be quite helpfull for those who dont have a broadband connection. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

11-25-06, 06:00 PM	#8
squirrel777 Watch Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 21 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Danger from the Deep is released under the GPL, so that anybody can do anything with the software as long as it retains the GPL license. It's therefore totally legal to sell it for a profit, the person doing that doesn't need the approbation of the devs or anyone. It's a good thing, having other people distribute it increase the visibility and availability of open source software. A dev team can for example take the DftD source code, add some contents/scenarios and sell that for a profit. Ultimately, it will benefit the community since new content has been developed for everybody to use/modify/resell. It's exactly how (for example) commercial Linux distributions work, RedHat, Novell, etc... are basically doing just that, selling a collection of selected work from other, making millions $$$ but this is a good thing since they improve the product. However, apexsoftware is a bit deceiving by not telling their customer the product is unfinished and by not telling it's under the GPL (and therefore available from other sources as well), but if people are willing to buy without checking what the product is first.... it's their own problem!

11-25-06, 06:30 PM	#9
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Response Well, luckily that is how I presented the problem to the dev team. I suspected that ApexSoftware was allowed to make the sales, because of a news article I read once about an arrest of a PC Store owner who was selling copies of some build of Linus - the developers told the police to release the seller because he was not breaking the law (although the police were unhappy about that). The main problem here is, as you said, that ApexSoftware is presenting DftD as being a finished commercial product for Windows, in a factory produced package. __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

11-25-06, 06:47 PM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,276 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I dig your response squirrel and yourdead on with your response but as AG124 so aptly stated and I mentioned as well, no mention of game in the works, unfinished product, but it is FACTORY sealed. I guess one could consider a Ziploc baggie as factory sealed. A disclosure should be added to the bidding screen or FINE print if you will. I would like to see the response from the DW community on the matter. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-25-06, 09:27 PM	#11
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	e-Bay has a simple process for dealing with people who are "operating on the fringes of the law" and that is their rating system. People who buy who feel bad about it later can take out their frustrations in their ratings of the seller. That said I'd be a bit miffed if I later found out that what I'd bought was incomplete and still in development no matter how much I'd shelled out for it.

11-25-06, 09:34 PM	#12
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	EBay Ratings I assume you are talking about feedback. The problem is, they can do the same to you by leaving you negative feedback after you leave it for them. I think there is a process to deal with purely retaliatory feedback, but they can always make a statement like "buyer was rude and confrontational." There is also mutual withdrawal, but that would make the entire process redundant. Essentially, it wouldn't really work for the situation at hand. BTW - off topic, but there is an AG124 an eBay - and it isn't me. Someone from the US got my favorite username and I had to choose another, although that was long before I joined SubSim. __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html