Enboldened by the cut and run folks

[Ducimus]

Rifleman in the mud pay taxes too. EVERYBODY pays taxes.
Taxes don't count. Even a Private basic pays them. Thats why i never have nor ever will accept the excuse of ones contrubution by paying taxes.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Rifleman in the mud pay taxes too. EVERYBODY pays taxes.
Taxes don't count. Even a Private basic pays them.

Well I served in the military (both enlisted and officer) and pay taxes. So my super-duper authority on the issue says that civie taxpayers count. :p The only ones who don't count IMO is the slackers that go to the voting booth to vote themselves a living from the productive citizens.

[Ducimus]

My point is, at least you did something. My anger is directed at people who are such blowhards about how we do this or that, but haven't or won't back any of that talk up or have shown the courage of commitment.

Im sick of the ****ing fear mongering
im sick of the ****ing mudraking
im sick of the ****ing right or left wing extremist rhetorical bull**** and propganda.
im sick of ****ing blow hard flag wavers who are all show and no ****ing go.

****ing tired of it.

[bradclark1]

I tried to stay away but.........
I see August and Sea Deamon have recovered from the embarrassment of the elections.
It would seem that most voting Americans disagree with you guys. Oh, and the house and Senate now too. I guess it took the Republicans getting their butt squashed for the president to finally decide that not having a plan isn't going to work anymore and did the politically astute thing and dump Rumsfeld to bring someone else in.
The people have spoken pretty loud and clear on this issue I think.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

I tried to stay away but.........
I see August and Sea Deamon have recovered from the embarrassment of the elections.
It would seem that most voting Americans disagree with you guys. Oh, and the house and Senate now too. I guess it took the Republicans getting their butt squashed for the president to finally decide that not having a plan isn't going to work anymore and did the politically astute thing and dump Rumsfeld to bring someone else in.
The people have spoken pretty loud and clear on this issue I think.

LOL :rotfl:It looks like Brad and Skybird share the same "friend". Anyways, we'll be back. The electorate are going to see how crazy you're side is over the next two years, how emboldened the terrorists will become, and tax policies which will send a chill throughout the business communities. This is only temporary Brad. I'm not worried or embarrassed. BTW, did you know that the fact that the Democrats only won 30 seats and 6 Senate seats in two midterms is actually quite abysmal? And the Democrats had to win by endorsing very conservative Democrats to do it. Your side won by being intellectually dishonest about who they are. Enjoy this power, because it won't last. And you're not going to accomplish anything with this thin majority consisting of conservative Democrats.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

LOL :rotfl:It looks like Brad and Skybird share the same "friend". Anyways, we'll be back. The electorate are going to see how crazy you're side is over the next two years, how emboldened the terrorists will become, and tax policies which will send a chill throughout the business communities. This is only temporary Brad. I'm not worried or embarrassed. BTW, did you know that the fact that the Democrats only won 30 seats and 6 Senate seats in two midterms is actually quite abysmal? And the Democrats had to win by endorsing very conservative Democrats to do it. Your side won by being intellectually dishonest about who they are. Enjoy this power, because it won't last. And you're not going to accomplish anything with this thin majority consisting of conservative Democrats.

Yeah, I was doing good until the party flag waving started again.

You still don't get it do you? It had nothing to do with Republican or Democrat as a party. People got tired of the "yes" men Republican party line zombies. All those little party flag wavers that did nothing but suck up whatever Bush was saying and wasn't seeing what was in front of their nose. People wanted change and the Republican party was too arrogant to see it. If it wasn't Democrats they would have voted for Independents.
It really doesn't matter if the Democrats loose next election because you could bet your last dollar the Republicans will listen to the people now. I'll wave my flag now, but it's red, white and blue. You keep waving your red one. I'm satisfied for the present and am waiting to see what the Democrats will do.
I had a satisfying election. I voted 1 Democrat, 1 Republican, and 1 Independent and they all won. See! I'm an equal opportunity voter. I vote with my mind, not party line.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

You still don't get it do you? It had nothing to do with Republican or Democrat as a party. People got tired of the "yes" men Republican party line zombies. All those little party flag wavers that did nothing but suck up whatever Bush was saying and wasn't seeing what was in front of their nose. People wanted change and the Republican party was too arrogant to see it. If it wasn't Democrats they would have voted for Independents.
It really doesn't matter if the Democrats loose next election because you could bet your last dollar the Republicans will listen to the people now. I'll wave my flag now, but it's red, white and blue. You keep waving your red one. I'm satisfied for the present and am waiting to see what the Democrats will do.
I had a satisfying election. I voted 1 Democrat, 1 Republican, and 1 Independent and they all won. See! I'm an equal opportunity voter. I vote with my mind, not party line.

Not quite. I see and agree with much of what you say here, but my point is that the Democrats will not hold power for very long. They're already stepping in it, even though they haven't even been sworn in yet. Charlie Rangel is already arrogantly throwing his weight around(insulting Mississippi citizens), Nancy Pelosi is already saying that Iraq is not a war to win (yesterday), and other Dems are already talking entitlements, amnesty for illegals, tax cut repeals, and a committment to fighting the President on his constitutional duties to be the commander in chief (War policy). Yes, I see a silver lining to this. Many Republicans (Romney) have come out and are already beginning to look inward and will be more responsive. The Demcrats have shown they will not pursue the same agenda with Americans, but their own specific anti-war, big government, anti-business policies of their own. If you think that will make them survive, you're wrong.

I gotta say, I wasn't too motivated in going to vote the other day. I'm absolutely not happy with the Republican party in it's current form. But the principles that make Republicans successful, are a better recipe for America IMHO. Democrats will pursue the opposite. The fact that Democrats supported so many conservative Democrats to get power shows that the people did not disagree with my principles. They just rejected a Republican party that was not responsive to this core. That's why the Democrats will not see much success out of this. Their own hard core lefty consituencies are already calling for impeachment. This ain't gonna happen, and these hard-core lefties are going to be feeling as though they've been left out in the cold a year from now. On this issue and more. Mark my words.

[bradclark1]

The only thing we can do is wait and see. I expected some arrogance payback but I'm hopeful that B.S. will be reined in.

[SUBMAN1]

The problem with this last election is simply that no one turned out to vote.

I don't think the democrats will hold on for long, especially with some of the arrogant statements they are throwing around now, but we will see.

-S

PS. Ducimus - Get out of California - that is why your vote was influenced - it is because of that state - Nothing more.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

The problem with this last election is simply that no one turned out to vote.

A nod is as good as a wink.

[The Avon Lady]

A g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-ghost!!!!!

[bradclark1]

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

I tried to stay away but.........
I see August and Sea Deamon have recovered from the embarrassment of the elections.
It would seem that most voting Americans disagree with you guys. Oh, and the house and Senate now too. I guess it took the Republicans getting their butt squashed for the president to finally decide that not having a plan isn't going to work anymore and did the politically astute thing and dump Rumsfeld to bring someone else in.
The people have spoken pretty loud and clear on this issue I think.

On that ISSUE, what is the Dem's solution? I've yet to hear any of them speak of a plan. Winning the election on "It's time for a change" hardly delt with any of the issues faceing America nor did it present any form of a platform to the people.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

On that ISSUE, what is the Dem's solution? I've yet to hear any of them speak of a plan. Winning the election on "It's time for a change" hardly delt with any of the issues faceing America nor did it present any form of a platform to the people.

Iraq: is to double or triple the training cadre to accelerate the transition to begin with and try to figure out where we stand exactly.
On domestic issues it's taxes, college loans, campaign finance reform, "home"land security, balanced budgets and paying down the national debt, health care and the uninsured, environment, and everything else that the news has been reporting.

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Iraq: is to double or triple the training cadre to accelerate the transition to begin with and try to figure out where we stand exactly.
On domestic issues it's taxes, college loans, campaign finance reform, "home"land security, balanced budgets and paying down the national debt, health care and the uninsured, environment, and everything else that the news has been reporting.

I understand the issues, what I said was, I've yet to hear any of them propose a plan to do all these wonderful things. All they did was criticize the current batch of clowns but never once did they offer solutions.