Promotion for Kaleun

[Kaleun_Saxi]

Originally Posted by d@rk51d3

1st patrol, 1939, type VII boat. Sank a carrier off the Irish coast. Instant promotion.

I've never seen anything bigger than a destroyer to be honest in 7 patrols (counting warships). Not bad! Did you pump in all your torpedoes?

I am now in April 40, and have to patrol the south of Bergen. The Germans will attack pretty soon, so I hope for some nice fleeing English merchants and warships. Come, little Britains...

[d@rk51d3]

Originally Posted by Kaleun_Saxi

I've never seen anything bigger than a destroyer to be honest in 7 patrols (counting warships). Not bad! Did you pump in all your torpedoes?

Almost. I wasted a couple earlier on a tramp steamer. Poor choice I know, but I was getting desperate. Suddenly, a task force appears before me on a collision course. 1 carrier, 2 cruisers and a few DD's.

Had just enough torps to sink the carrier, but could only damage 1 cruiser.

This little piggy went "wee wee wee" all the way home.:rotfl:

[Subwolf]

Originally Posted by galahad

I play SHIII vanilla as well, and I have recently been promoted to Kpt.lt. (as you can see in my sig). I got this after I got to 15000 renown. I got the first one at 5000, and from the community manual, the final one would be 25000. Here is the link if you want to check it out for yourself:
http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...tle=Promotions
Good luck and smooth sailing!

Well there you got it, you need 5000 renown "in the bank" to get your first promotion...then 15000 and so on.

Warmonger is refering to the TGW version, looks like it's easier to be promoted there...

[JScones]

Stock SH3:
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=5000; SCORE
RankLevel2=15000; SCORE
RankLevel3=25000; SCORE

SH3 GW:
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=1499; SCORE
RankLevel2=9000; SCORE
RankLevel3=15000; SCORE

SH3 NYGM
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=1000; SCORE
RankLevel2=15000; SCORE
RankLevel3=100000; SCORE

SH3 RUb/SH3Cmdr (To turn on these settings in SH3Cmdr you need to remove the ; from the PLAYER_RENOWN lines in Static settings.cfg)
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=1499; SCORE
RankLevel2=7999; SCORE
RankLevel3=15999; SCORE

NOTES:
*You ALWAYS start as an Lt, even if you set yourself 1,000,000 renown.
*If you use GW/NYGM/RUb you can expect promotion after your first patrol, assuming you haven't spent all of your renown in the meantime (refer RankLevel1 value). Unlike most other corrections for historical accuracy, this one actually works in the player's favour!

The highest rank awarded by SH3 appears to be KptLt. I have never seen the rank of KK awarded even though there is an associated RankLevel3 setting. And I can guarantee that the game does NOT promote any higher (the next rank is actually FrgKpt, not Kpt as some believe).

Another clarification...
It is quite historically correct for your LI to be a higher rank than you. It did happen. As I have posted elsewhere, the Engineer stream of officer was different than the Line stream. In the event of a dead Kaleun, it was the IWO - ie the next highest Line officer - that took over command, even if he was subordinate to the LI.

Of course, it would not be appropriate for your IWO, IIWO etc to be higher in rank than you.

Note that the SH3Cmdr Realistic Crew option and the default RUb crews mimick this acceptable situation.

[Kaleun_Saxi]

What a wonderful explanation! Actually, I have got more than 5000 points now and was promoted to Oberleutnant. Finally... :p

[Krupp]

S!

Kaleun_Saxi wrote:

" It can't be that my officers on board have the same rank than me!!!!"


quote from: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-128INT.htm

"The commanding officer, Oberleutnant Hermann Steinert, was on his first patrol as a commander...
...Kapitänleutnant Siegfried Sterzing, executive officer on U-128, though of the same term (1936) as his commanding officer, outranked him due to a promotion received on the last patrol...."

So no need to feel sad if your IWO outranks you. It happened...must have been awkward situation tho. " Reports on the Interrogation of Survivors of U-boats" are really interesting stuff to read. Great stories and tons of details.

K

[Kaleun_Saxi]

Well, NOW I'm frustrated.

After 12 very successfull patrols, sinking about 700,000 tons of british steel, I was promoted to Kapitänleutnant. I took the phone and immediately switched to the 2nd Flotille. Got myself a IXb and some upgrades and went out of the port (Lorient is crap, btw) to single-handedly destroy a whole convoi (4 escort DD, 1 T3, 2 C3, 2 C2, 4 SF) plus some single ships and came back to Lorient with 90,000 tons on the bottom of the ocean. I had about 6,500 points renown before leaving port as Kaleun with my IXb, and now I returned with an additional 2,000 points renown, and I was promoted again... to OBERLEUTNANT? WHAT THE HECK???

I never had less than 5,000 points, so I can't be promoted to OL, also, it can't be that you loose a rank by buying a sub or upgrading it and getting under the 15,000 points limit of Kaleun. It this a common bug? Historically it was surely not correct to get promoted, receive a new boat, get de-promoted (what's the right word?) for it and start all over again...

Has anybody experienced the same thing?

[Mauser KAR98K]

Well, yesterday was my finest hour. 65,000 tons of steel on the ocean floor.

WOW! My best was 121961 tons Nailed a couple of C2's a DD and 3 BATTLESHIPS!! I sank a Revenge and two Nelsons. Since you have a year to go, take my advice. Patrol Gibralter around April 1st to the 9th. I encounter the task force down near Africa, South West of the entrance of the straits. All this while running stock SG3 plus Commander. Got back to St. Nazarine and Bingo Promotion with over 3000 renoun as my reward. Ended up over 7000 renoun. Since then no promotions. I used a tpye VIIB with that run. Traded my U-51 for a VIIC. Got 10000 renoun and now I am in command of that big IXCD2 what ever the hell number it is. All I now is I plan to spend some warm Christmas in the Caribena thanks to that 23,400 KM range

[Kaleun_Saxi]

You talk about April 1941? Okay, I will keep that in mind. Currently I'm in November 1940.

[Razman23]

I dont really care what rank I am but I do some hiring/firing of crew just to make it intersting.

I use SHIII Commander and GW on my version.

Here is the list of the experience points each crewman are allowed as maximum points. They can get more points by playing them but these are the cutoff numbers before a seaman promotes to a Warrant Officer and such. However this doesnt happen as SHII Commander and SHII doesnt allow you to promote a crew man to another class level.

Officers - 500
Warrant Officers - 300
Regular seaman - 100

So here is what I do before I launch SHIII.

I open up Commander and go to the crew management dialog box under the 'Actions' link. I go through all my crew members and see who needs to be promoted. I use the 'experience' numbers to tell me who to promote. If seaman 'so and so' has 43/20 experience, I promote him one grade. I then crank up SHIII and go straight to the crews listing. I look for any crew memeber who has more points than what is listed above and dismiss him. I then enlist a new crew member with 0 renown. This goes for ALL crew members. This way, I have a rotating crew with differnt experience levels like I believe what would happen in RL.

This is just another way I micromanage my sub using SHIII, GW, and SHIII Commander.

[Kaleun_Saxi]

Thanks for the info.

I've always wondered why crew members have sort of 43/20 points, now I know who deserves promotion and who doesn't.

BTW, what does your sig mean? Do you want to say: "we've been sunk by a lorry" or "we have sunk a lorry"?

[Razman23]

Originally Posted by Kaleun_Saxi

Thanks for the info.

I've always wondered why crew members have sort of 43/20 points, now I know who deserves promotion and who doesn't.

BTW, what does your sig mean? Do you want to say: "we've been sunk by a lorry" or "we have sunk a lorry"?

If you use SHIII Commander, you can promote crew up several grades as long as you stay within the requirements. So a seaman cannot be promote higher than 100 experience points level and the WO cannot go pass the 300 points level. SHIII Commander will give you an error message if you try.

Take the 'seaman' class. The break down for promotions are as follows:

20 points
50 points
100 points

So if we take your crewmen at 43/20 as an example. We promote him one grade and he ends up at 43/50. He is good until he tops over 50 experience points then you promote him once again to X/100. Also when crew members are given medals, that also goes towards experience points.

The sig line is from the movie (I cant remember the name of it off hand) with Cary Grant where he is a captain of a US submarine which ends up being painted pink. He tries to attack a ship but misses and the torpedo ends up on the beach and blows up a truck. Cary Grant is at the periscope and then says "We sunk a truck!".

We had a discussion on this forum about my sig line and what the correct German translation is. I think this was the best we could come up with.

[Sailor Steve]

Operation Petticoat.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053143/

[hyperion2206]

Originally Posted by JScones

Stock SH3:
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=5000; SCORE
RankLevel2=15000; SCORE
RankLevel3=25000; SCORE

SH3 GW:
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=1499; SCORE
RankLevel2=9000; SCORE
RankLevel3=15000; SCORE

SH3 NYGM
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=1000; SCORE
RankLevel2=15000; SCORE
RankLevel3=100000; SCORE

SH3 RUb/SH3Cmdr (To turn on these settings in SH3Cmdr you need to remove the ; from the PLAYER_RENOWN lines in Static settings.cfg)
RankLevel0=0; SCORE
RankLevel1=1499; SCORE
RankLevel2=7999; SCORE
RankLevel3=15999; SCORE

NOTES:
*You ALWAYS start as an Lt, even if you set yourself 1,000,000 renown.
*If you use GW/NYGM/RUb you can expect promotion after your first patrol, assuming you haven't spent all of your renown in the meantime (refer RankLevel1 value). Unlike most other corrections for historical accuracy, this one actually works in the player's favour!

The highest rank awarded by SH3 appears to be KptLt. I have never seen the rank of KK awarded even though there is an associated RankLevel3 setting. And I can guarantee that the game does NOT promote any higher (the next rank is actually FrgKpt, not Kpt as some believe).

Another clarification...
It is quite historically correct for your LI to be a higher rank than you. It did happen. As I have posted elsewhere, the Engineer stream of officer was different than the Line stream. In the event of a dead Kaleun, it was the IWO - ie the next highest Line officer - that took over command, even if he was subordinate to the LI.

Of course, it would not be appropriate for your IWO, IIWO etc to be higher in rank than you.

Note that the SH3Cmdr Realistic Crew option and the default RUb crews mimick this acceptable situation.

I use GW and SH3 Commander, have gathered about 3000 renown but still was not promoted to Oberleutnant.:hmm: (I do not spend renown, so a that can't be the reason.)

[Kaleun_Saxi]

Razman23,

the correct line would be "Wir haben einen LKW versenkt!"

Thanks for your info, I think I will promote little old Karl in the engine room, he's at nearly 100 points and still Gefreiter...