Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

In the news here in Denmark it was told yesterday that Biden/USA will send some old TXX - Tanks and other old stuff to Ukraine.

They didn't say where it should come from and how many.

The Biden administration will work with allies to transfer Soviet-made tanks to bolster Ukrainian defenses in the country’s eastern Donbas region, a U.S. official said on Friday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/u...s-ukraine.html

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[Skybird]

A visibly embittered President Zelensky invited Merkel and Sarkozy to visit Butcha, where they could see for themselves where their sympathetic policies towards Russia had led and how Ukrainians were tortured and murdered there.

Not only are there several hundred bodies of residents laying in the streets, many with bound hands, they now have started to found even mass graves. The mayor said about one fo them it could hold 300 bodies maybe. Expoerts say first impression is that the atriocities were not just cidnuicted from frustrated Russiansd when they fled, but that they were going on since all time of the Russian's stay.

Stalin wanted to prevent an Ukrainian nation at all costs, and tried to starve the Ukrainian people to death. Millions died.

Either Stalin did not know that bullets get the job done much faster, or Putin is just not as patient.

[tmccarthy]

Originally Posted by mapuc

In the news here in Denmark it was told yesterday that Biden/USA will send some old TXX - Tanks and other old stuff to Ukraine.

They didn't say where it should come from and how many.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/u...s-ukraine.html

Markus

Looks like Hungry, Romania and Bulgarian types still have plenty of Russian tanks and armored vehicles. Probably ship Ukraine that stuff the US & ammunition manufacturers don't want in NATO anyways, then sell those countries (or more likely us tax payers pay for) our old refurbished M-1 tanks and Bradley's in storage(at like new prices $ of course.) Another Win-Win for defense contractors.

-Tim

[tmccarthy]

Originally Posted by Skybird

A visibly embittered President Zelensky invited Merkel and Sarkozy to visit Butcha, where they could see for themselves where their sympathetic policies towards Russia had led and how Ukrainians were tortured and murdered there.

Not only are there several hundred bodies of residents laying in the streets, many with bound hands, they now have started to found even mass graves. The mayor said about one fo them it could hold 300 bodies maybe. Expoerts say first impression is that the atriocities were not just cidnuicted from frustrated Russiansd when they fled, but that they were going on since all time of the Russian's stay.

Stalin wanted to prevent an Ukrainian nation at all costs, and tried to starve the Ukrainian people to death. Millions died.

Either Stalin did not know that bullets get the job done much faster, or Putin is just not as patient.

Atrocities are happening on both sides, we're just being shown the western view of how they want the war to be seen by the public right now. Russia, judging by history, can be expected to be the most brutal and in the end likely be judged to have committed the most atrocities. But I don't see the Ukraine Army as being automatically the "clean good guys" by far.

I think the Ukraine army is going to be guilty enough of war atrocities in the end that I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them.

I'm not trying to excuse either side but once it gets started reprisals are bound to happen back and forth and sometimes the victims are those who are just unlucky enough to be on hand for crimes to be committed. The Russians probably aren't capturing that many Ukrainian soldiers in this type of war so civilians pay the price. There's no excuses, Nothing but disgusting all around.

[Vietnam- Benjamin Valentino estimates 110,000–310,000 deaths as a "possible case" of "counter-guerrilla mass killings" by U.S. and South Vietnamese forces during the war]

"some of these Ukrainian forces have behaved like ISIS and committed terrible atrocities against the Russians." Col. Douglas Macgregor (Ret.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_cr...ion_of_Ukraine
Kneecapping of Russian soldiers On 27 March a video purportedly showing Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in the knees was uploaded on Telegram.[175][176] The video was likely shot in Malaya Rohan, to the south east of Kharkiv, in an area which had been recently had recently been recaptured by Ukrainian troops.[176] The footage purports to depict a number of captured soldiers lying on the ground; many appear to be bleeding from leg wounds and are questioned by their captors. At one point, three prisoners are brought out of a vehicle and shot in the legs with a rifle. The accents and the uniforms of the captors are consistent with them being Ukrainians from the east of the country.[176][16]

-Tim

[tmccarthy]

Believe it or not this video below is exactly what the Expansion of NATO by Bill Clinton, the war in Ukraine, and our future war with Russia was/is all about. When Tucker mentions a theme re "Afghanistan" just replace it with a theme re "Russia".

We and our military have been 'played' into fighting this fight, for the interests of eastern european and jewish neoconservatives, globalist, liberals and woke-ism.

That is the nucleus of the "War Against Putin" and changing Russia's culture for woke goals.

Same people, same mission.

I got to this conclusion when I asked "Why did President Barrack Obama, of all people, want to go after Russia so badly?" Surely as the first black president, he'd have other priorities for his time in office?

Hillary Clinton's war with Putin from the beginning a long, long, long time ago?

(I never would have believed this was possible in a thousand years 2 months ago.)

[Catfish]

^ did you just have your russian coming-out?
oh YES it is all the gays' and woke's fault. And LGBTQ. And the democrats. And Hillary Clinton, and Bill Clinton. Did i mention Mrs Levinsky, eMails, Nancy Pelosi and (not to forget) sex pandas threatening the US.

The decadent west gets what it deserves! Russia shtronk!

[Skybird]

The opposition in the Bundestag has demanded the replacement of defence minister Lembke, accusing her of utmost incompetence and disgracing Germany before the international community.

The accusation is 110% correct. Lembke knows nothing about this ressort, and wanted to retire, but Scholz pressed her to take the job. He needed a left for balancing ghe wings in his party and needed a woman due to gender quotas. Gender and agenda trumps competence and experience these days. There are several such duds in his cabinet.

[Catfish]

^ Make that LAMBRECHT and i agree





Notable self-restraint by this officer

[Skybird]

I can give the names of only four ministers in the current coaltion government - and that includes the chancellor already. Only three. That present the others are in my thinking.

[August]

Originally Posted by tmccarthy

Atrocities are happening on both sides, we're just being shown the western view of how they want the war to be seen by the public right now. Russia, judging by history, can be expected to be the most brutal and in the end likely be judged to have committed the most atrocities. But I don't see the Ukraine Army as being automatically the "clean good guys" by far.

I think the Ukraine army is going to be guilty enough of war atrocities in the end that I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them.

I'm not trying to excuse either side but once it gets started reprisals are bound to happen back and forth and sometimes the victims are those who are just unlucky enough to be on hand for crimes to be committed. The Russians probably aren't capturing that many Ukrainian soldiers in this type of war so civilians pay the price. There's no excuses, Nothing but disgusting all around.

[Vietnam- Benjamin Valentino estimates 110,000–310,000 deaths as a "possible case" of "counter-guerrilla mass killings" by U.S. and South Vietnamese forces during the war]

"some of these Ukrainian forces have behaved like ISIS and committed terrible atrocities against the Russians." Col. Douglas Macgregor (Ret.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_cr...ion_of_Ukraine
Kneecapping of Russian soldiers On 27 March a video purportedly showing Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian prisoners in the knees was uploaded on Telegram.[175][176] The video was likely shot in Malaya Rohan, to the south east of Kharkiv, in an area which had been recently had recently been recaptured by Ukrainian troops.[176] The footage purports to depict a number of captured soldiers lying on the ground; many appear to be bleeding from leg wounds and are questioned by their captors. At one point, three prisoners are brought out of a vehicle and shot in the legs with a rifle. The accents and the uniforms of the captors are consistent with them being Ukrainians from the east of the country.[176][16]

-Tim

So the best you can cite is a supposed wounding of some captured soldiers and you want us to figure that puts the Ukrainians in the same moral boat as the Russians who are murdering civilians wholesale left and right?

[Jimbuna]

[mapuc]

Seen and heard on the news
Putin accuse NATO for having "Ordered" these picture of dead civilians

Putin reject have anything to do with it.

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[Skybird]

Can the Russian assumption that the will to resist by of the Ukrainians can be broken by conducting ever more brutal acts, actually work? A survey implies that this does not seem likely. Quite the opposite.

https://blogs.prio.org/2022/03/will-...ieged-ukraine/

[Jimbuna]

Shocking images of civilian bodies in the streets of Bucha, near Kyiv, have led to an outpouring of international condemnation of Russia.

The BBC has seen further evidence of civilian killings near Kyiv - a shallow grave where four people allegedly shot dead by Russian forces were buried.

France's President Macron says there are clear indications Russian forces have committed war crimes.

He calls for more sanctions targeting Russia oil and coal exports - but doesn't mention gas.

Germany, which relies heavily on Russian gas, says it is "working towards" an embargo on Russian energy but won't act immediately.

UK PM Boris Johnson accused Russia of "despicable attacks" while the White House called it a "punch to the gut"

"This isn't a one-off atrocity... we are going to discover a significant number of acts like this," military expert Jack Watling tells the BBC

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Can the Russian assumption that the will to resist by of the Ukrainians can be broken by conducting ever more brutal acts, actually work? A survey implies that this does not seem likely. Quite the opposite.

https://blogs.prio.org/2022/03/will-...ieged-ukraine/

Hmm trying to remember what it was said in some of the documentary from WWII.

Despite the massive bombings of the civilians by the Allied and the nazis, it had an opposite effect. People supported their leader even more
(Can have forgot some word)

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