Libyan No-Fly Zone res. passed by UN - Page 19

Rockstar · 03-22-11, 07:32 AM

Wasn't this whole thing started on account of helping a vast population of rebels? I hear on the news we must support them! we must arm them! I've also heard there may be a need for ground troops to train them!

Look I'm not anti-war or anti- anything really. If the boss called me back I'd go. It's just that I am truly amazed how on account of three little words; freedom, democracy and rebels. People will blindly follow and support someone into a shooting war and not even look into who they are, why or what the potential results of their rebellion will cause. Nothing is known about them other than what they were told on the boob-tube. On such rebellion has opened the doors to the Gaza and shelling, and a very strong chance of an unfriendly Islamic fundamentalist government. All in the name of those three little words. As for Libya, I've looked, I've asked, maybe I'm missing something but if everyone is supporting rebels I got to ask, where are they?

Or has the reason changed now. Last night I heard from the talking heads it's now all about PanAm flight 103. Rebels what rebels they weren't even mentioned now we must just get Pagaffy at all costs!

SubV · 03-22-11, 07:51 AM

Bilge_Rat · 03-22-11, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=MLA

This is the live ATC feed for Malta on which you can hear coalition aircraft as they are transitting to and from the NFZ.

Some guys on keypublishing forums have picked up some interesting stuff.

I listened to it last night, fascinating stuff.

However I read that some guy in the Netherlands (as well as others) is using that and other links/info to post the real time position of coalition aircrafts on twitter. Obviously not the type of info you want to be public.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...-libya-psyops/

Oberon · 03-22-11, 08:10 AM

*whistles*

I'm surprised that no-one has recruited this guy yet.

The F-15 that went down was one of USAF Lakenheaths birds according to our local news.

EDIT:

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There was an EC-130H Compass Call aircraft, callsign Sheen 53, that was in theater so given their mission to "disrupt enemy command and control communications and limits adversary coordination essential for enemy force management," that may have been who Ary and others monitored last night.

TLAM Strike · 03-22-11, 12:25 PM

Seen on CNN: Coalition forces have hit a SS-C-2 missile site near the port of Tripoli. 3-4 SS-C-2 2 round mobile launchers destroyed along with a number of missiles.

Nice shooting guys.

Oberon · 03-22-11, 02:55 PM

Good work, I have little doubt that Daffy would have thrown them at Benghazi before long.

The Dragon Lady is in the Med at FL600 at the moment.

And how about this for a patrol?

Oberon · 03-22-11, 02:59 PM

Holland gets into operations with F-16s, tankers and a Minehunter, and Germany removes its four Med warships from NATO operations as it looks likely that NATO will take over control of Odyssey.

There is also a rumour of an air to air engagement between one of Daffys fighters and a coalition fighter. Unconfirmed.

Molon Labe · 03-22-11, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Seen on CNN: Coalition forces have hit a SS-C-2 missile site near the port of Tripoli. 3-4 SS-C-2 2 round mobile launchers destroyed along with a number of missiles.

Nice shooting guys.

Sorry to nitpick, but do you mean SSC-2 "Samlet" launchers or a twin SSC-3 launcher (which is the designation for the coastal version of the SS-N-2)? I know Libya has coastal Styx batteries...

TLAM Strike · 03-22-11, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

Sorry to nitpick, but do you mean SSC-2 "Samlet" launchers or a twin SSC-3 launcher (which is the designation for the coastal version of the SS-N-2)? I know Libya has coastal Styx batteries...

D'oh thanks for catching that. Its the SSC-3 Styx missile not the Samlet. NATO hit the mobile launchers that are mounted on a big truck with a FCR, like I made for LWAMI.

Jimbuna · 03-22-11, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

The F-15 that went down was one of USAF Lakenheaths birds according to our local news.

This is the plane that was lost:

91-0304 F-15E-51-MC VI 1211/E169 492nd FS

Skybird · 03-22-11, 04:57 PM

One can ask if economic sanctions against a regime make sense if the leader of that regime is siad to have put 30 billion Euros, 140 tons of gold aside.

But what pisses me big time again is that when NATO finally said that it wants to enforce a naval blockade against weapon deliveries via ship, the germ,an government - apparently in great haste - immediately announced that it gave orders that the two German frigates and two German fast attack boats currently operating in the Med as part of the the standing NATO naval force there, are to return and are no longer under NATO command.

Great going, my dear Mrs Merkel.

I think this - at the latest - was it with the Berliner bigmouths' dream of getting Germany a permanent seat in the security council. If this gremium serves the idealistic purpose that it claims for itself, can be argued - but assessing it by the idealistic claims, Germany indeed has no business in the SC indeed.

I would like to see the other NATO countries simply ignoring Germany in the coming years, and NATO not picking up the new offer of Germany to send AWACS personell to Afghanistan instead. Let Berlin feel how Germany is being perceived.

Former foreign minister Joschka Fischer, a Green, who once let Rumsfeld run against a wall over the Iraq war when telling him that Rumsfeld did not convince him, has stripped foreign ministre Guido Westerwave and the German govenment of all feathers. There is little that unites me with Fischer, but like he was right back then to confront the Americans, he again is right today when attacking and sinking the German government.

That the German government still speaks of unity and how very much it is supporting it's allied "friends" and how very much the other nations understand the Germans (once again...), is simply shabby, and a lie tailored to deceive the German people in the main.

I would wish the the next election(s) to explode into the face of the CDU, unfortunately, the alternative of the SPD, the Greens or Die Linke forming the next government, is not any better. Maybe they would do better regarding this single issue now - but onlöy at the cost of messing up many others.

krashkart · 03-22-11, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Good work, I have little doubt that Daffy would have thrown them at Benghazi before long.

The Dragon Lady is in the Med at FL600 at the moment.

And how about this for a patrol?

Guess the military didn't see this freeware unit tracking coming?

Alex · 03-22-11, 05:12 PM

Some of us got pretty tired of that constant Kadhafi **** at TV that the country TRULY has nothing do to with. I found this artwork on a French forum today.

Uh, wait, it may not be funny depending on where you're from. But well, I don't care.

Poor General (and ship) getting his name tarnished in that crap.

Bilge_Rat · 03-22-11, 05:23 PM

The Arabs are coming!

Mirage 2000s from Qatar on their way to Crete to participate in the operation:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42209504...ld_news-europe

Oberon · 03-22-11, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krashkart

Guess the military didn't see this freeware unit tracking coming?

You'd be surprised. The freeware unit tracking doesn't work with most military jets, and the B-2s are using Tanker unit callsigns to disguise their movements from people listening into the ATC.

The guys who are monitoring the ATC are actually in some cases helping the Americans, for example this:

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Noteworthy, one of the radar-suppression fighters involved in a mission over Libya was the protagonist of an episode that tell us much about the technologies available today to track the aircraft involved in Odyssey Dawn: with simple and cheap tools, the famous Dutch radio communication expert known under the Twitter username @FMCNL, the one who made available to everyone on the Internet the audio file of the Psyops message broadcasted by a US EC-130J (see Day 2 debrief for more info), warned US Africom Command that in the morning of Mar. 21 an F-16CJ was broadcasting its identity in the clear by means of its Mode-S transponder.

Most probably not only Gaddafi’s forces were not using ADS-B receivers to track coalition aircraft and would not do much with that information since there are many other more and less sophisticated ways to know that a Wild Weasel is flying (for example, just watch TV reports showing aircraft departing from their bases….), but the episode demonstrates once more what can be done with off-the-shelf products and a bit of knowledge, as well as that skilled enthusiasts following air operations can help the coalition to improve self-protection and safety of some of its High Value assets. By the way, the F-16 was not the only aircraft to broadcast information: on Flightradar24.com, the Canadian CC-150 (A310) was irregularly trackable transmitting full ADS-B info.

03-22-11, 07:32 AM	#271
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Wasn't this whole thing started on account of helping a vast population of rebels? I hear on the news we must support them! we must arm them! I've also heard there may be a need for ground troops to train them! Look I'm not anti-war or anti- anything really. If the boss called me back I'd go. It's just that I am truly amazed how on account of three little words; freedom, democracy and rebels. People will blindly follow and support someone into a shooting war and not even look into who they are, why or what the potential results of their rebellion will cause. Nothing is known about them other than what they were told on the boob-tube. On such rebellion has opened the doors to the Gaza and shelling, and a very strong chance of an unfriendly Islamic fundamentalist government. All in the name of those three little words. As for Libya, I've looked, I've asked, maybe I'm missing something but if everyone is supporting rebels I got to ask, where are they? Or has the reason changed now. Last night I heard from the talking heads it's now all about PanAm flight 103. Rebels what rebels they weren't even mentioned now we must just get Pagaffy at all costs! Last edited by Rockstar; 03-22-11 at 07:48 AM.

03-22-11, 12:25 PM	#275
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Seen on CNN: Coalition forces have hit a SS-C-2 missile site near the port of Tripoli. 3-4 SS-C-2 2 round mobile launchers destroyed along with a number of missiles. Nice shooting guys. __________________

03-22-11, 04:57 PM	#281
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	One can ask if economic sanctions against a regime make sense if the leader of that regime is siad to have put 30 billion Euros, 140 tons of gold aside. But what pisses me big time again is that when NATO finally said that it wants to enforce a naval blockade against weapon deliveries via ship, the germ,an government - apparently in great haste - immediately announced that it gave orders that the two German frigates and two German fast attack boats currently operating in the Med as part of the the standing NATO naval force there, are to return and are no longer under NATO command. Great going, my dear Mrs Merkel. I think this - at the latest - was it with the Berliner bigmouths' dream of getting Germany a permanent seat in the security council. If this gremium serves the idealistic purpose that it claims for itself, can be argued - but assessing it by the idealistic claims, Germany indeed has no business in the SC indeed. I would like to see the other NATO countries simply ignoring Germany in the coming years, and NATO not picking up the new offer of Germany to send AWACS personell to Afghanistan instead. Let Berlin feel how Germany is being perceived. Former foreign minister Joschka Fischer, a Green, who once let Rumsfeld run against a wall over the Iraq war when telling him that Rumsfeld did not convince him, has stripped foreign ministre Guido Westerwave and the German govenment of all feathers. There is little that unites me with Fischer, but like he was right back then to confront the Americans, he again is right today when attacking and sinking the German government. That the German government still speaks of unity and how very much it is supporting it's allied "friends" and how very much the other nations understand the Germans (once again...), is simply shabby, and a lie tailored to deceive the German people in the main. I would wish the the next election(s) to explode into the face of the CDU, unfortunately, the alternative of the SPD, the Greens or Die Linke forming the next government, is not any better. Maybe they would do better regarding this single issue now - but onlöy at the cost of messing up many others. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-22-11, 05:12 PM	#283
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Some of us got pretty tired of that constant Kadhafi **** at TV that the country TRULY has nothing do to with. I found this artwork on a French forum today. Uh, wait, it may not be funny depending on where you're from. But well, I don't care. Poor General (and ship) getting his name tarnished in that crap. __________________

03-22-11, 05:23 PM	#284
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	The Arabs are coming! Mirage 2000s from Qatar on their way to Crete to participate in the operation: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42209504...ld_news-europe __________________

03-22-11, 07:51 AM	#272
SubV Planesman Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Russia Posts: 187 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 4

03-22-11, 02:55 PM	#276
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Good work, I have little doubt that Daffy would have thrown them at Benghazi before long. The Dragon Lady is in the Med at FL600 at the moment. And how about this for a patrol?

03-22-11, 02:59 PM	#277
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Holland gets into operations with F-16s, tankers and a Minehunter, and Germany removes its four Med warships from NATO operations as it looks likely that NATO will take over control of Odyssey. There is also a rumour of an air to air engagement between one of Daffys fighters and a coalition fighter. Unconfirmed.