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[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Sweden's immediate surroundings have deteriorated

Dowly is drunk again?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Dowly is drunk again?

Between this line=read it as growing aggression/threat from Russia

That what they said on the Swedish news program Rapport.

They mentioned Russia a few times during the topic

Markus

[ikalugin]

Did they find that sub?

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Did they find that sub?

No, Russia is getting better

Seriously, i find those accusations of Russian subs repeatedly visiting swedish territorial waters ridiculous. If they can force one to the surface to prove the claim and present evidence, fine. If not..
"Well it could be, so lets raise the swedish defence budget!" right?
So much Nato subs trying to sneak in everywhere just for testing of course, but if you mention that you'd probably get shot, like Olof Palme.

- "The ‘Soviet’ U-boat scare that shook Sweden in the 80s was caused by US and UK subs that penetrated Swedish territorial waters disguised as Russian ones"
- "Swedish military were fully aware of these operations but did not report to Prime Minister, Olof Palme"
- "‘A year later, the social-democrat Olof Palme, who coined the notion ‘common security’, challenging Reagan’s cold war strategy, became the Swedish Prime Minister. Two weeks later, a periscope was detected in Swedish territorial waters…"
Honi soit qui mal y pense..

"The Deception Committee":
http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-nat...-1980s/5508970

[ikalugin]

To be honest I think it is less to do with the real military threat to Sweden and more to do with how badly Swedish Armed Forces fare now.

I mean there were time periods when Sweden did not have any tube artillery in it's usage. There are other areas such as the tube artillery that Sweden has severe problems with - for example in the Navy the corvettes did not receive their armament (AShMs and SAMs) making them really weak surface combatants.

[Oberon]

I see that they've announced the date for Kuznetsovs overhaul, $350m refit and improvement to the ISTAR ( intelligence, surveillance, targeting acquisition and reconnaissance) capability of the carrier. First half of this year apparently.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Dowly is drunk again?

I'm not drunk!

[Jimbuna]

I'm surprised they aren't replacing her but I believe a new-build is being considered for commencement in 2025.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm surprised they aren't replacing her but I believe a new-build is being considered for commencement in 2025.

We have/had problems with the industrial capability and expertise to build a proper carrier as those were built originally in Nikolaev now Ukraine, Post 2020 it should get better with the new shipyards and expansion of the old shipyards.

I hope that the Kuznetsov refit and mid life repair would include new boilers and expansion of the hangar.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I hope that the Kuznetsov refit and mid life repair would include new boilers and expansion of the hangar.

Same, particularly the former, he really does need them replacing, also the arresting cables could do with being looked at, two aircraft were lost in the Med because of faulty cables during the last patrol.

[Jimbuna]

Goes back to May last year...

“The modernization will focus on the aircraft carrier’s flight deck, including replacement of the deck covering, tailhooks, aircraft arresting gear and other elements of the take-off system.”

https://news.usni.org/2016/05/27/rus...ier-start-2025

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Same, particularly the former, he really does need them replacing, also the arresting cables could do with being looked at, two aircraft were lost in the Med because of faulty cables during the last patrol.

Kuznetsov not as much needs new boilers, they would just make life much simpler because their automatic control system would work instead of being set to a narrow set of optimal values. Smoke effects are sort of inevitable with the fuel oil that we use.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I see that they've announced the date for Kuznetsovs overhaul, $350m refit and improvement to the ISTAR ( intelligence, surveillance, targeting acquisition and reconnaissance) capability of the carrier. First half of this year apparently.

Well if those shipyard estimates are anything like they here you can double that figure and add 10% on top of that to give you a more realistic amount.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Kuznetsov not as much needs new boilers, they would just make life much simpler because their automatic control system would work instead of being set to a narrow set of optimal values. Smoke effects are sort of inevitable with the fuel oil that we use.

Has consideration been given to switching to a reactor rather than fuel oil? Or is that something that might be going in for the next carrier design?

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Well if those shipyard estimates are anything like they here you can double that figure and add 10% on top of that to give you a more realistic amount.

If they're lucky!

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Has consideration been given to switching to a reactor rather than fuel oil? Or is that something that might be going in for the next carrier design?



If they're lucky!

No, as such a switch would be too hard/costly to make. We have much better boilers around, for example the ones we supplied to China on the Sovremeny series destroyers.