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Immacolata · 10-09-06, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

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Originally Posted by KeldorKatarn

That's similar to the usage of rank. In English it's just "Yes, Lieutenant", in German it is "Jawohl, HERR Leutnant" meaning, "Yes, Mr. Lieutenant". That may sound funny but it's the correct use for any title including Doctor and Professor and such since it is also "Guten Tag, Herr Professor", "Auf Wiedersehen, Herr Doktor"

Brilliant...thanks for the lesson! Obviously I don't speak German and the command is rattled out pretty quickly (in fact they speak somewhat like an MG42....)!! :rotfl:

Don't forget the germans are europes masters of language abbreviation. Wonder why :hmm: Kaleun, u-boot. BdU. LkW. Great examples.

KeldorKatarn · 10-09-06, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Immacolata

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

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Originally Posted by KeldorKatarn

That's similar to the usage of rank. In English it's just "Yes, Lieutenant", in German it is "Jawohl, HERR Leutnant" meaning, "Yes, Mr. Lieutenant". That may sound funny but it's the correct use for any title including Doctor and Professor and such since it is also "Guten Tag, Herr Professor", "Auf Wiedersehen, Herr Doktor"

Brilliant...thanks for the lesson! Obviously I don't speak German and the command is rattled out pretty quickly (in fact they speak somewhat like an MG42....)!! :rotfl:

Don't forget the germans are europes masters of language abbreviation. Wonder why :hmm: Kaleun, u-boot. BdU. LkW. Great examples.

German's not so much as the German military.

Try if you can find these on the web

GeZi
FdU
GröFaZ
UvD
OvWa
KzH
OFähnr
EK
Lfz
FlaRak
EloKaEloOffz
OHG
AbküFiBw

btw that doesn't even come close to what I've seen in the US' military lol. They are really crazy in that department *g*

Immacolata · 10-09-06, 07:16 AM

And lest we forget, the much used flak is short for FlugAbwehrKanone. Somehow the anti-tank variety never got the same foothold in language. Well maybe with nintendo, but I don't think they were thinking about german war material when they used it for their NES cartrides. Can you guess it?

But the german language in general is fond of shorting things up. I know people who live in Kaki. Eh? Kalten Kirchen. Oh. There.

John Pancoast · 10-09-06, 07:25 AM

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The planes and their bullets are now very dangerous. Before NYGM, they was too weak but now they're too strong.

In my last mission, I lost 25 crews under only an attack, without bomb, only bullets

. It's excessive no ?

May be it's realistic. In this case, no problem

but, in reality (cf. Books like Das Boot ou admiral Wolves...), I think the Uboat was able to avoid many planes attacks. In this mod, it's impossible, everytime, the planes see the uboat, attack and often cause heavy damages.

At least, I think the crews should be able to see the planes at a greater distance, to have a chance to avoid them.

I love this mod, sincerely, but in this case, here, it's very disappointing

My idea is :
1- The planes are too strong
or
2- The crews detect planes too later

25 crew???

Well in NYGM if you see an aircraft you dive - QUICKLY!!

I have on watch at all times the following:

1 x Officer with watch skill
1 x PO with watch skill
1 x PO with 'no' skill
2 x '3 stripe' seamen

I've found I see things with sufficient warning to bail fairly safely. I suspect the real horror will come with medium bombers using radar at night.

Closest I've been to a surface contact at night before seeing it was 4500 (a DD no less - gave me a shock and a mild panic!). With the changes to the sensors, however, I altered course to present a narrow profile and it didn't spot me (seas were heavy and strong winds, plus I was travelling at 1/3 speed). This was great as it was pretty realistic - VERY rare for a U-boat to be detected by an escort before the U-boat detected it, before radar at least.

One reason I haven't bothered playing stock is due to the many 'unrealistic' happenings I've read in the forums. I suspect they might have given people bad habits, like trying to fight aircraft instead of diving ASAP......

So, I don't think aircraft are too strong (certainly not in my experience so far) BUT they WILL dump on you if you remain on the surface, as was historically the case. You're a SUBmarine - USE IT!!!

Iirc, wasn't a four man watch the standard in real life ?

panthercules · 10-09-06, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

Iirc, wasn't a four man watch the standard in real life ?

I would think that you would want to have at least 5 under normal circumstances - 4 lookouts (1 to cover each quarter) and an officer/leader to give overall direction and also to communicate to the rest of the command crew below. According the the U-boat Commander's Handbook (para. 221), in heavy rain/seas (at least at night) there would be an extra man sent topside to keep wiping the binoculars and making dry spares available.

NiKuTa · 10-09-06, 11:51 AM

NYGM crew, could you add more fire on ships?? My last sunked ships moustly dont fire (even tankers), or smoke a little. And could you add a bigger oil sticks?

John Pancoast · 10-09-06, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by panthercules

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

Iirc, wasn't a four man watch the standard in real life ?

I would think that you would want to have at least 5 under normal circumstances - 4 lookouts (1 to cover each quarter) and an officer/leader to give overall direction and also to communicate to the rest of the command crew below. According the the U-boat Commander's Handbook (para. 221), in heavy rain/seas (at least at night) there would be an extra man sent topside to keep wiping the binoculars and making dry spares available.

I seem to remember reading about the number four, but unfortunately, can't remember where or even if so.

As to the heavy rain/seas at night example, sure, but then:

a. that extra member wasn't performing watch duties per se.
b. "standard" would not necessarily include such non-standard conditions as heavy rains/seas at night.

Der Teddy Bar · 10-09-06, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NiKuTa

NYGM crew, could you add more fire on ships?? My last sunked ships moustly dont fire (even tankers), or smoke a little. And could you add a bigger oil sticks?

Will see what we can do

KeldorKatarn · 10-10-06, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

I seem to remember reading about the number four, but unfortunately, can't remember where or even if so.

As to the heavy rain/seas at night example, sure, but then:

a. that extra member wasn't performing watch duties per se.
b. "standard" would not necessarily include such non-standard conditions as heavy rains/seas at night.

People, don't forget there's a commander aboard who makes those decisions. If he thinks another man is necessary then he simply orders it, no matter what the normal conditions are. That's what officers are for *g*

About stuff that's been written, I've also read about a case when they had one additional soldier on the bridge just to watch the sky while the others concentrated on the horizon.
But as I said, there are many possibilities and if the commander thinks it is necessary or gives him an advantage then he will simply do it. Not everything in the military is done as it is written somewhere or standard procedure.

=)

THE_MASK · 10-10-06, 01:58 AM

Any chance of a NYGM 2.2 darker night sky?

LGN1 · 10-10-06, 06:26 AM

A darker night would be really great. I hope the NYGM team will make some statement about this.

Cheers, LGN1

kylania · 10-10-06, 09:03 AM

Here's Brest at night in NYGM 2.2 in a storm. Dark enough?

KeldorKatarn · 10-10-06, 09:28 AM

The best night sky&water combination I've ever seen is definately the one found in this thread by Beery:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=83723

John Pancoast · 10-10-06, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KeldorKatarn

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

I seem to remember reading about the number four, but unfortunately, can't remember where or even if so.

As to the heavy rain/seas at night example, sure, but then:

a. that extra member wasn't performing watch duties per se.
b. "standard" would not necessarily include such non-standard conditions as heavy rains/seas at night.

People, don't forget there's a commander aboard who makes those decisions. If he thinks another man is necessary then he simply orders it, no matter what the normal conditions are. That's what officers are for *g*

About stuff that's been written, I've also read about a case when they had one additional soldier on the bridge just to watch the sky while the others concentrated on the horizon.
But as I said, there are many possibilities and if the commander thinks it is necessary or gives him an advantage then he will simply do it. Not everything in the military is done as it is written somewhere or standard procedure.

=)

Ah, at least that explains why the WO is so quick; I've given him an additional soldier to help

Now I can keep using him without feeling "guilty"

Schultzy · 10-10-06, 05:56 PM

Noooo whatever you do NYGM team, please, for the love of god and all things sacred, do not, i repeat, do not mess with the night sky. I've only just started, thanks to your mod, being able to even see my watch crew, let alone enemy ships. Don't make it darker again! Please! hehe

If you have to, can you perhaps do a darker nights add in for those that want it, but please leave it as is atm for people like me.

gets up off his knees

10-09-06, 07:16 AM	#258
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	And lest we forget, the much used flak is short for FlugAbwehrKanone. Somehow the anti-tank variety never got the same foothold in language. Well maybe with nintendo, but I don't think they were thinking about german war material when they used it for their NES cartrides. Can you guess it? But the german language in general is fond of shorting things up. I know people who live in Kaki. Eh? Kalten Kirchen. Oh. There. __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill

10-09-06, 11:51 AM	#261
NiKuTa Ensign Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 226 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	NYGM crew, could you add more fire on ships?? My last sunked ships moustly dont fire (even tankers), or smoke a little. And could you add a bigger oil sticks? __________________ http://serek.one.pl/~nikuta/SH/Perso...%20NiKuTa.html

10-10-06, 09:03 AM	#267
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Here's Brest at night in NYGM 2.2 in a storm. Dark enough? __________________

10-10-06, 01:58 AM	#265
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Any chance of a NYGM 2.2 darker night sky?

10-10-06, 06:26 AM	#266
LGN1 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,138 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 12	A darker night would be really great. I hope the NYGM team will make some statement about this. Cheers, LGN1

10-10-06, 09:28 AM	#268
KeldorKatarn Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 103 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The best night sky&water combination I've ever seen is definately the one found in this thread by Beery: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=83723