US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

IMO, I don't see him running again.

I do believe you are correct. And I do believe the purpose of a Senate trial will be too ensure zero possibility of him ever running again.


Frankly, I'm torn between the Senate proceeding and just dropping it. I firmly believe he and others have a constitutional right to march on D.C. and say the things he and others did. I do not however believe he is responsible for the actions of the few dingbats who ruined it for a lot of others.

Where I have trouble with the whole thing is the Trump campaign should have stopped dead in its tracks on December 14th as soon as the electoral college finished voting. For the good of the nation it should have ceased to make any further claims to the presidency. It should have never ever began to cast doubt on an institution and system that has for over two centuries preserved the peaceful transition of power in this country. He should have been civic minded and man enough to publicly accept the outcome and step the hell away and try again in four years. Had he, he could have been a contender. But he didn't and instead let his ego blind him to what was happening and now its gonna bite'em in the arse.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I truly don' t think Trump is running again anyway.

I think that is true for a number of reasons. One is his age, he'll be 78. Two he will probably get the cold shoulder from the GOP in four years. They won't want him back after all the drama has subsided.

But the main reason is probably that he has made himself unelectable. How's this for a Democrat ad in 2024. A picture of Trump smiling and giving the thumbs up sign superimposed over the 'dingbats' trashing the Capitol.

"That's gold Jerry. Gold"

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by u crank

I think that is true for a number of reasons. One is his age, he'll be 78. Two he will probably get the cold shoulder from the GOP in four years. They won't want him back after all the drama has subsided.

But the main reason is probably that he has made himself unelectable. How's this for a Democrat ad in 2024. A picture of Trump smiling and giving the thumbs up sign superimposed over the 'dingbats' trashing the Capitol.

"That's gold Jerry. Gold"

With Sinatra's "I did it my way." playing in the background.

Trump should start his own news station. More talking heads tell you what they want you to hear.

[mapuc]

Following comment is kind of off topic and could be placed both here and in our UK-Politics thread.

USA:
I toke a trip 10 years ahead. I did this to see who was the President in April 2025-Name Joe Biden. VP Not Kamala Harris-It was another woman I didn't get her name and why Kamala wasn't Biden's VP anymore I can't say. Had to leave

UK:
Only thing I looked at here was if UK still was independent from EU and if UK was dissolved which it wasn't - Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland was still part of UK.

EU- Is still there

Back to US Politics discussion

Markus

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I do believe you are correct. And I do believe the purpose of a Senate trial will be too ensure zero possibility of him ever running again.


Frankly, I'm torn between the Senate proceeding and just dropping it. I firmly believe he and others have a constitutional right to march on D.C. and say the things he and others did. I do not however believe he is responsible for the actions of the few dingbats who ruined it for a lot of others.

Where I have trouble with the whole thing is the Trump campaign should have stopped dead in its tracks on December 14th as soon as the electoral college finished voting. For the good of the nation it should have ceased to make any further claims to the presidency. It should have never ever began to cast doubt on an institution and system that has for over two centuries preserved the peaceful transition of power in this country. He should have been civic minded and man enough to publicly accept the outcome and step the hell away and try again in four years. Had he, he could have been a contender. But he didn't and instead let his ego blind him to what was happening and now its gonna bite'em in the arse.

So - Nixon did this in '60. If he had fought it, we likely wouldn't be where we are now.

Fact of that matter is that every single election has been rife with cheating, but only a guy who isn't a politician (Trump) was finally willing to call bull4hit.

If I were king for a day, every single elected official, every appointed bureaucrat, every single SES and military flag officer - they would all be thrown out.

The entire system is broken because everyone involved is a corrupt scumbag.

[Buddahaid]

Care to back any of that up? What you are really saying is people are cheating scum and some people get elected as well.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Care to back any of that up? What you are really saying is people are cheating scum and some people get elected as well.

One need only look at the $GME short squeeze, where trading was halted multiple times, where multiple brokerages artificially restricted the ability of retail investors (but not institutional investors) to buy the stock, and where some of them even forcibly sold retail investors' holdings in $GME without their permission (and not as a margin call), to see a microcosm of how the entire system is rigged.

Likewise - why is Hillary Clinton not in jail for - not just mishandling classified information - but actually running a non-governmental server containing classified information? The average person who works with classified info would have gotten in trouble for merely putting it on an unclassified system. Taking it out and putting it in an uncontrolled and unapproved system would result in jail.

We continue to see more evidence come out that the FBI Steele Dossier Carter Page FISA warrants were pursued even though they knew there was nothing there - and then they covered up their paper trail after Trump was elected. And they continued, culminating in Mueller wasted $40 million chasing crimes that never existed to begin with. Comey was fired - big deal - he came out of it just fine. Strzok was fired - and now his wife is in a prominent position in the SEC.

Don't you get it? All of these shenanigans get the peasants jail time, ruin them financially, or discredit them unfairly. The elites don't even bat an eye at the fact that other elites are doing corrupt things - because they all do it to some extent.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yes but I think the ship has sailed on that. He is out of office. I truly don' t think Trump is running again anyway. If so, run as an independent. As long as rules are being made up as they go along I guess Trump can make up some rules as he goes along as an independent.

IMO, I don't see him running again.

He'd be a lameduck, already. I can't see the GOP wanting to nominate a guy who wouldn't have the capacity to get reelected.

I don't think Trump intends to run again. However, I think Trump will continue to say he will run again, and will continue asking for moniez, and at the last possible moment say he changed his mind but thanx for the moniez.

[bstanko6]

Wow... she is sleepier than Cornpop! Maybe she should run the country?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

He'd be a lameduck, already. I can't see the GOP wanting to nominate a guy who wouldn't have the capacity to get reelected.

I don't think Trump intends to run again. However, I think Trump will continue to say he will run again, and will continue asking for moniez, and at the last possible moment say he changed his mind but thanx for the moniez.

He has to return the moniez if he does not run.

[bstanko6]

I still can’t believe we have this sleepy, slow, ridiculous turd for four years. We deserve every bad thing he brings.

[Reece]

That was a great comedy show Biden put on!

[Jimbuna]

Brian Sicknick: Officer killed in Capitol riot to lie in honour.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55866716

~SALUTE~

[mapuc]

Biden has changed some of the former President decrees I wonder if he will change all of them including moving the Ambassador back to Tel Aviv ?

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Biden has changed some of the former President decrees I wonder if he will change all of them including moving the Ambassador back to Tel Aviv ?

Markus

I dont know the answer to that specific question, but I fear Biden will return to Obama'S policies that were blatant reality denial as far as Iran was concerned. Obama enabled Iran to financially and technologically push forward its nuclear weapon program. I also fear that Biden will try to bog down again any changes and steps beyond the decades-lasting freeze of the Israeli-Palestinian issue by returning to Obama'S positions. Of all damages done by Obama, I always considered his ME policies and appeasement of Islam being the biggest. I see Biden returning to that, poor corrupt Palestinian Arabs, and reasonable Iranians reacting to good will and all that bull.


I would welcome him to show me wrong and surprise me by not doing all this.