US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[vienna]

Well, then it is obvious Trump would be very honored to meet with him...

...and, one thing to keep in mind, Trump most likely doesn't even know Mao is dead...

...no mention of the Trump/Nixon comparison, so I can only presume you agree Nixon would have been insulted...





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[GT182]

A long long time ago......



And today, it's now you see em.... and now you don't. Think about it thru technology. With the same results.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Platapus

One should never forbid what one lacks the power to prevent. - Napoleon Bonaparte

Maybe we should give Kim the technology to reach California.

[Buddahaid]

Gee thanks.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

A Kim - Trump summit may not be as impossible as everyone thinks.

In 1971, everyone thought this was impossible...



...and the opening to China turned out to be one of the smartest move in U.S. foreign policy.

If this meeting between Trump and Un result in the establishment of diplomatic relations, I would be in favour of it.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Platapus

If this meeting between Trump and Un result in the establishment of diplomatic relations, I would be in favour of it.

Trump and diplomatic...good one.

[vienna]

Trump is the greatest diplomat the world has ever known as he will tell you so himself and, you know, he never, ever exaggerates or lies...




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[Bilge_Rat]

interesting results in the new economist poll.

approval of direct negotiations between the USA and North korea to end NK's nuclear program (p. 51)

-60% of all those surveyed;
-63% of democrats;
-65% of republicans;

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...nTabReport.pdf

..but I guess it is a lot more comforting to do what the Democrats did for the past 8 years, i.e., be scared of your own shadow, been afraid to offend anyone, be afraid of doing something which is not politically correct and generally do nothing...yah, that worked out really well...

case in point #1:

Obama refused to meet with President Sisi because he is a dictator. Effect on human rights in Egypt? zero. Meanwhile an american citizen was sitting in an Egyptian jail for three years.

Trump meets with President Sisi. The looney left is horrified that the USA is "coddling" a dictator. Effect on human rights in Egypt? same as under Obama, but after direct intervention by Trump, Aya Hiyazi is released from jail and re-united with her family.



yup, I like a President that gets results.

[Bilge_Rat]

case in point #2.

Sabrina de Sousa was a ex-CIA employee who was sentenced to 4 years in prison by Italy in a trial "in absentia" over the kidnapping of a suspected terrorist in 2003.

She was arrested in Portugal in October 2015 at the request of Italy which wanted her extradited to serve her sentence.

Normally, U.S. authorities protect ex-CIA personnel who are caught in these legal issues arising from CIA operations, but in this case the Obama administration either did nothing or was spectacularly incompetent. Either way, mrs. de Sousa lost all her appeals in Portugal and was due to be extradited to Italy.

enter Trump.

Inside of a month after becoming President, he negotiates a deal which allows mrs. de Sousa to avoid italian jail:

Sabrina de Sousa, a dual U.S.-Portuguese citizen, was waiting at Lisbon airport to be flown to Italy early on Wednesday when word came she was to be released, after Italy's president granted her a partial pardon.

De Sousa said the Trump administration did “an excellent job” of negotiating her partial pardon with Italy. But she noted that she still spent 10 days in a Portuguese prison, the only current or former CIA officer to be jailed in connection with the agency’s now defunct rendition and interrogation program.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-it...-idUSKBN1683ZC

yup, I like a President that can actually get things done.

[Buddahaid]

No mention of what was given away for these deals.

And you really, really, need to stop insulting people with your posts. I'll start reporting your posts form now on, but not to worry, it's just getting things done.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Trump and diplomatic...good one.

Yeah, that was kinda silly of me wasn't it.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

And you really, really, need to stop insulting people with your posts. I'll start reporting your posts form now on, but not to worry, it's just getting things done.

The "looney left"?

That is not an insult, it is a statement of fact.

p.s. - Just to be clear, when I use the term "looney left", I am not referring to every democrat, liberal, left leaning activist/politician, just the more extreme fringe element and I was not referring to anyone here.

[vienna]

At this moment, given the ineptitude and disarray of the Far Right, the Left is looking pretty good by comparison; if you consider what the GOP had to give up and what the DEMs got in the new spending bill package, it appears the only ones "getting things done" on matters affecting the greater population is the DEM Left. Aside from getting Gorsuch onto SCOTUS, which the GOP Right could only do by changing the Senate rules to avoid an embarrassing defeat in an honest vote, the GOP keeps swinging for the fences and ends up dribbling a few feet down the infield baseline into foul territory. If the GOP keeps this up, 2018 could be a very interesting year for what's left of the GOP Congress; there has been a goodly number of GOP incumbents who either have declared they won't stand for reelection or appear to be leaning towards such a decision...




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[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

The "looney left"?

That is not an insult, it is a statement of fact.

p.s. - Just to be clear, when I use the term "looney left", I am not referring to every democrat, liberal, left leaning activist/politician, just the more extreme fringe element and I was not referring to anyone here.

Understood, but the adjectives aren't needed to make your point and how is anyone supposed to know where the "looney" line starts in your thinking? I feel the same way in referring to the right with derogatory labels. They only serve to further divide us as a people, and for me, make it less likely I'll continue reading, or worse take a good point seriously.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

No mention of what was given away for these deals.

Already told ya, we give them rocket boosters capable of reaching California in exchange for their pinky swear to not use them. Seems about as good for us as all the deals made in the last sixteen years, maybe better. We may lose a Buddahaid, but think of how many snowflakes will get melted if he reneges. Which of course we would never ever consider needling him into doing.