The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar - Page 175

Skybird · 02-09-17, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Ever accidentally bump into or trip one of your friends? Well this is just the military equivalent.

Murphy's Laws of Combat.

Friendly Fire isnt.
The only thing more accurate than enemy fire is friendly fire.
Anything you do can get you killed including doing nothing.

Im just mocking the stupid terminology, "friendly fire".

Another example would would be these "barbaric acts of terrorism". How is an act of terrorism not barbaric, is there something like "civilized terrorism"?

Oberon · 02-09-17, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

"civilized terrorism"?

Politics?

Skybird · 02-09-17, 03:43 PM

Politics: organised crime, racketeering, based on the law of the jungle and the right of the strongest. Oligarchy interbreeding with ochlocracy.

And sometimes terrorism, yes. But never civilized.

ikalugin · 02-09-17, 03:46 PM

Define "civilized". Because depending on how you do it sure, you can have civilized terrorism.

August · 02-09-17, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Im just mocking the stupid terminology, "friendly fire".

I know it's stupid but if there was a better term for fire generated by friendly forces accidentally impacting in or among other friendly forces that differentiates it with the far less ambiguous term enemy fire I'm sure they'd have adopted it by now. Any ideas?

And you can't say the German way of stringing that all together in a sentence-long word like
Firegeneratedbyfriendlyforcesaccidentallyimpacting inoramongotherfriendlyforcesthatdifferentiatesitwi ththefarlessambiguoustermenemyfire
Maybe DumbkopfScheisseShootzen?

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Another example would would be these "barbaric acts of terrorism". How is an act of terrorism not barbaric, is there something like "civilized terrorism"?

Well actually that's just redundant but definitely an unnecessary extra adjective tossed on there.

Oberon · 02-09-17, 04:19 PM

Blue on blue?

It's about the same number of syllables.

Fratricide is another one, but that's generally considered as deliberate targetting IIRC.

Skybird · 02-09-17, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

Define "civilized". Because depending on how you do it sure, you can have civilized terrorism.

Having a highly developed, advanced society and culture; showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement; humane, ethical, and reasonable; refinement in taste and manners; cultured; polite; refined; well-bred.

Twist it if you want, but "civilized terrorism"? That is a fake fact. That is like painless suffering. Uncruel torture. Non-lethal execution. Humane blood-bath.

Oberon · 02-09-17, 06:29 PM

Of course, defining terrorism is in and of itself a contentious subject because it's a pretty broad term. After all, as the saying goes 'One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter'.

August · 02-09-17, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Having a highly developed, advanced society and culture; showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement; humane, ethical, and reasonable; refinement in taste and manners; cultured; polite; refined; well-bred.

All that being highly subjective which was his point.

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Twist it if you want, but "civilized terrorism"? That is a fake fact. That is like painless suffering. Uncruel torture. Non-lethal execution. Humane blood-bath.

Not a fake fact. A poorly constructed description perhaps but civilized is in the eye of the beholder.

ikalugin · 02-12-17, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Having a highly developed, advanced society and culture; showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement; humane, ethical, and reasonable; refinement in taste and manners; cultured; polite; refined; well-bred.

Twist it if you want, but "civilized terrorism"? That is a fake fact. That is like painless suffering. Uncruel torture. Non-lethal execution. Humane blood-bath.

Above terms appear to be (atleast mostly) subjective, meaning that depending on how you define them terrorism can be civilised. If we define terrorism as the use of violence and means to achieve political (or other) ends, then either there is no civilised society to speak of because all societies are, at their core, are built around the use of violence or the threat of it's use or civilised terrorism can exist and indeed does.

Onkel Neal · 02-12-17, 12:10 PM

Oberon · 02-12-17, 12:50 PM

Catfish · 02-12-17, 01:26 PM

Really, why don't they like us

Oberon · 02-12-17, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Really, why don't they like us

Robert Kennedy: By the way, China invaded India today.
Kenny O'Donnell: You're kidding, aren't you?
Robert Kennedy: Yeah, I wish I were. Galbraith is handling it in New Delhi. Makes you wonder what's coming next.
Kenny O'Donnell: Geez. What is it about the free world that pisses the rest of the world off?
Robert Kennedy: I don't know. We have Tupperware parties.

Skybird · 02-13-17, 07:01 AM

Throw Turkey out of NATO.

https://euobserver.com/foreign/136568

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/er...pies-2hh8mgx6h

And don't tell me it cannot be done, there is no diplomatic treaty allowing to kick members out of NATO. You boycott Turkish staff, you withdraw your staff from their territory and do not allow them onto yours or into NATO installations and headquarters, and you exclude them from military exercises, CCCI networks and intel gathering, and it is done.

It does not matter what the Turkish government would think of this, we must not care. We really must understand that Turkey now is hostile to what the "West" is.

02-09-17, 03:43 PM	#2613
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,732 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Politics: organised crime, racketeering, based on the law of the jungle and the right of the strongest. Oligarchy interbreeding with ochlocracy. And sometimes terrorism, yes. But never civilized. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Define "civilized". Because depending on how you do it sure, you can have civilized terrorism. __________________ Grumpy as always.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,811 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Really, why don't they like us __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-13-17, 07:01 AM	#2625
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,732 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Throw Turkey out of NATO. https://euobserver.com/foreign/136568 http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/er...pies-2hh8mgx6h And don't tell me it cannot be done, there is no diplomatic treaty allowing to kick members out of NATO. You boycott Turkish staff, you withdraw your staff from their territory and do not allow them onto yours or into NATO installations and headquarters, and you exclude them from military exercises, CCCI networks and intel gathering, and it is done. It does not matter what the Turkish government would think of this, we must not care. We really must understand that Turkey now is hostile to what the "West" is. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-09-17, 04:19 PM	#2616
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Blue on blue? It's about the same number of syllables. Fratricide is another one, but that's generally considered as deliberate targetting IIRC.

02-09-17, 06:29 PM	#2618
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Of course, defining terrorism is in and of itself a contentious subject because it's a pretty broad term. After all, as the saying goes 'One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter'.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20