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Cyborg322 · 07-08-21, 04:47 AM

On a lighter note England sure wins the competition for best ( cover) song. Italy will have to beat this spirit

Skybird · 07-08-21, 05:30 AM

I stick to it, the VAR should have intervened.

I just saw a brief interview with a Bundesliga referee who said that the ref on the pitch stood in a good position, was close enough to the action and obviously was convinced to make the right call, and he had reason to believe that, yes. But the video assistant referee should and must have intervened under any circumstances, he should have pressed the alarm button. No pardon for that he did not do it.

The German ref in that interview also said that according to FIFA rules every ref on the pitch can at any time in every match demand the video monitor all by himself. But this just as a sidenote, its not relevant here.

My quarrel is with the VAR. Total fail!

HunterICX · 07-08-21, 05:42 AM

Just another example of why I stopped watching & caring for football years ago.

Overpaid drama actors on the field and the manipulative nature of FiFa officials that never would allow 100% fair play. Because what's the point of all those systems if they're don't plan to use it on the most critical of cases like Penalties and fouls.

Give me the Rugby World Cup any day over this joke of a sport.

Cyborg322 · 07-08-21, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

Just another example of why I stopped watching & caring for football years ago.

Overpaid drama actors on the field and the manipulative nature of FiFa officials that never would allow 100% fair play. Because what's the point of all those systems if they're don't plan to use it on the most critical of cases like Penalties and fouls.

Give me the Rugby World Cup any day over this joke of a sport.

Well they did use the system and the system failed

Almost every sport has controversial ref decisions,boxing tennis rugby is no exception. There is no infallible solutions its an imperfect system in an imperfect world but the VAR system is the hardest to swallow the incident with Italian striker Immobile was far more blatantly obvious how could both the ref or the VAR miss that, Its a yellow card offence. If referees don't penalise fake dives and injuries more its not going to stop

Jimbuna · 07-08-21, 07:48 AM

A well contested game that England shaded by the smallest of margins.

Great and valid comments above chaps with few if any I could disagree with.

My brief summary: Pickford (Englands real achilles heel) put in a performance reminiscent of many of his performances for his club in the Premier League, Schmeichel easily outperforming him.

Can't say much about VAR because I despise it, one day sun next day rain. Bring back good old fashioned human error like we had for many years prior. Problem being, the match officials aren't of good enough quality these days to sort out the theatrical cheats.

The final against Italy will be an even harder test than this but whilst I obviously want my country to win I am sticking with my original pick for the tournament (Italy)

My two biggest lowlights are the idiots who booed during the playing of the Danish national anthem and the even bigger idiot who shone a laser in Schmeichel's face as the penalty was taken.

The UEFA disciplinary committee are investigating both matters and whilst I can't see England being thrown out of the competition I envisage a heavy financial penalty coming.

Whatever the punishment, the fans involved are solely responsible.

Moonlight · 07-08-21, 08:01 AM

Aye, it was a mistake for the VAR official not to get involved, but that's all it was, a genuine mistake, it was a penalty from where the ref viewed it from but from other angles it was not so clear cut, what's done is done and the result will not be changed however vocal the outcry is.

mapuc · 07-08-21, 10:01 AM

I have to refrain from my last comment.

Seen some clips from yesterdays semifinal.

The only way England won was because of an own goal by Simon Kjær end a dubious penalty.

So I wonder if England has what it takes to win the trophy ?

I doubt it.

The free kick goal was a real beauty.

Markus

Moonlight · 07-08-21, 10:34 AM

England are overrated and extremely boring to watch, I gave them fifteen minutes once in this tourney and then I turned it off. If Sterling is an Olympic diving champion then these Italians are Galactic champions, we could have a 3-3 draw with these two teams and the goals might all have been scored by penalties.

Jimbuna · 07-08-21, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

I have to refrain from my last comment.

Seen some clips from yesterdays semifinal.

The only way England won was because of an own goal by Simon Kjær end a dubious penalty.

So I wonder if England has what it takes to win the trophy ?

I doubt it.

The free kick goal was a real beauty.

Markus

One problem being Markus there are many who viewed the game who are adamant that it wasn't a free kick.

mapuc · 07-08-21, 01:47 PM

^ I only saw the free kick and the goal.

Furthermore some Dane(s) have started a signature collection they want UEFA to give Denmark a rematch

HA HA forget it will never happen. It's understanderble the Danes are frustrated

Markus

Jimbuna · 07-08-21, 01:49 PM

They clearly aren't aware of this then.

Quote:

Following the game the Danish FA representatives were asked if they wanted to make an official complaint, but said they did not wish to take the matter any further.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57763001

mapuc · 07-08-21, 02:16 PM

Aha so that's what it's all about.

Just before I had to leave my home I saw the headlines in the news at noon UEFA has started a case against the English football team. three second later I turned my tv off.

Thanks for the link.

For me it's preparation for the Final on Sunday.

Markus

Catfish · 07-08-21, 02:38 PM

Protesting now is bad style, IF it should have been done instantly.
The Danes were much better than i thought, but they exhausted themselves and ran miles when England just closed their backyard - though it was not so closed, at times.

After the danish own goal (and as a german i can relate lol) the Danes still kept attacking and it was very close. In the endgame England won with less exhausted players, but rightly so. Without the own goal, what, if, would, does not matter, it was all fair enough.
It is as it is, i for one am for England at sunday 9 p.m., high time they win. And they are good enough for this

Cyborg322 · 07-08-21, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonlight

England are overrated and extremely boring to watch, I gave them fifteen minutes once in this tourney and then I turned it off. If Sterling is an Olympic diving champion then these Italians are Galactic champions, we could have a 3-3 draw with these two teams and the goals might all have been scored by penalties.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

I have to refrain from my last comment.

Seen some clips from yesterdays semifinal.

The only way England won was because of an own goal by Simon Kjær end a dubious penalty.

So I wonder if England has what it takes to win the trophy ?

I doubt it.

The free kick goal was a real beauty.

Markus

@Moonlight You appear to suggest both England and Italy have got thru to the final by sheer luck and cheating if so what utter nonsense England have an exceptional record for fair play. I've not seen any team in this tournament who not had players go down too easily Italy are probably the most blatant

The first 15 minutes England pushing The Danes back in full attack mode certainly not boring up till then. A degree of pandemonium followed that at around 20mins or so, how can you comment on a game you did not bother to watch. You have predicted England going out in the Group stage when it was mathematically impossible and almost every game since. You seem to just have a grudge of some kind against England rather than any factual or objective opinion. I seem to remember you saying Spain could win the competition easily too

@Markus If you get the chance watch a replay of the game don't listen to hearsay or second hand info judge it for yourself. You will see several key questionable judgement by the officials both ways round for England and Denmark

I've already given my opinion on the match so I'm not going to repeat it. Your point about the own goal is not really valid it was an error by Denamrk who were put under extreme pressure they paid for that and rightly so England deserved the goal they forced that error it being an own goal does not make it count less than any other type of goal sorry to appear harsh I do feel your pain my friend. But at least your not in the Brig mate please don't you put me there

Fact : European Football Tournament Statistics
At Euro 2020 Switzerland have the worst yellow card record with 10.
Tournament Red cards currently stand at 5.
Semi Finalists Spain and Italy have 5 yellows, Second Semi Final shows England and Denmark with 4 yellows apiece

European Football Tournament Statistics

At Euro 2020 Switzerland have the worst yellow card record with 10.
Tournament Red cards currently stand at 5.
Semi Finalists Spain and Italy have 5 yellows, Second Semi Final shows England and Denmark with 4 yellows apiece.

This of course does not take in account England Spain Demark and Italy have played more games and some cards were not justified in the first place. Oh and some cards should of been given but it is an indicator

Simon

Cyborg322 · 07-08-21, 04:07 PM

to balance things up a little this article

WHY DENMARKS GOAL SHOULD OF BEEN DISALLOWED

Denmark's opening goal against England should not have stood according to laws of the game

FIFA rules state that: "Where three or more defending team players form a 'wall,' all attacking team players must remain at least 1 metre (1 yard) from the 'wall' until the ball is in play."

It's evident the one metre rule was not kept by the Danish players and the referees as well as VAR failed to spot the error amidst the jubilant celebrations from the Danes.

/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football

Should of never been given in the first place IMO there was tugging and pulling by both sides like it nearly always is even well before the kick is taken. No consistency

VAR MONITORS

07-08-21, 04:47 AM	#241
Cyborg322 Scurvy Dog of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Manchester England Posts: 1,125 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 0	On a lighter note England sure wins the competition for best ( cover) song. Italy will have to beat this spirit __________________

07-08-21, 05:30 AM	#242
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I stick to it, the VAR should have intervened. I just saw a brief interview with a Bundesliga referee who said that the ref on the pitch stood in a good position, was close enough to the action and obviously was convinced to make the right call, and he had reason to believe that, yes. But the video assistant referee should and must have intervened under any circumstances, he should have pressed the alarm button. No pardon for that he did not do it. The German ref in that interview also said that according to FIFA rules every ref on the pitch can at any time in every match demand the video monitor all by himself. But this just as a sidenote, its not relevant here. My quarrel is with the VAR. Total fail! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-08-21, 05:42 AM	#243
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Just another example of why I stopped watching & caring for football years ago. Overpaid drama actors on the field and the manipulative nature of FiFa officials that never would allow 100% fair play. Because what's the point of all those systems if they're don't plan to use it on the most critical of cases like Penalties and fouls. Give me the Rugby World Cup any day over this joke of a sport. __________________

07-08-21, 07:48 AM	#245
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,522 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A well contested game that England shaded by the smallest of margins. Great and valid comments above chaps with few if any I could disagree with. My brief summary: Pickford (Englands real achilles heel) put in a performance reminiscent of many of his performances for his club in the Premier League, Schmeichel easily outperforming him. Can't say much about VAR because I despise it, one day sun next day rain. Bring back good old fashioned human error like we had for many years prior. Problem being, the match officials aren't of good enough quality these days to sort out the theatrical cheats. The final against Italy will be an even harder test than this but whilst I obviously want my country to win I am sticking with my original pick for the tournament (Italy) My two biggest lowlights are the idiots who booed during the playing of the Danish national anthem and the even bigger idiot who shone a laser in Schmeichel's face as the penalty was taken. The UEFA disciplinary committee are investigating both matters and whilst I can't see England being thrown out of the competition I envisage a heavy financial penalty coming. Whatever the punishment, the fans involved are solely responsible. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

07-08-21, 08:01 AM	#246
Moonlight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fookhall Copse Posts: 2,548 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 0	Aye, it was a mistake for the VAR official not to get involved, but that's all it was, a genuine mistake, it was a penalty from where the ref viewed it from but from other angles it was not so clear cut, what's done is done and the result will not be changed however vocal the outcry is. __________________

07-08-21, 10:01 AM	#247
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,659 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I have to refrain from my last comment. Seen some clips from yesterdays semifinal. The only way England won was because of an own goal by Simon Kjær end a dubious penalty. So I wonder if England has what it takes to win the trophy ? I doubt it. The free kick goal was a real beauty. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

07-08-21, 10:34 AM	#248
Moonlight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fookhall Copse Posts: 2,548 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 0	England are overrated and extremely boring to watch, I gave them fifteen minutes once in this tourney and then I turned it off. If Sterling is an Olympic diving champion then these Italians are Galactic champions, we could have a 3-3 draw with these two teams and the goals might all have been scored by penalties. __________________

07-08-21, 01:47 PM	#250
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,659 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ I only saw the free kick and the goal. Furthermore some Dane(s) have started a signature collection they want UEFA to give Denmark a rematch HA HA forget it will never happen. It's understanderble the Danes are frustrated Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

07-08-21, 02:16 PM	#252
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,659 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Aha so that's what it's all about. Just before I had to leave my home I saw the headlines in the news at noon UEFA has started a case against the English football team. three second later I turned my tv off. Thanks for the link. For me it's preparation for the Final on Sunday. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

07-08-21, 02:38 PM	#253
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,822 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Protesting now is bad style, IF it should have been done instantly. The Danes were much better than i thought, but they exhausted themselves and ran miles when England just closed their backyard - though it was not so closed, at times. After the danish own goal (and as a german i can relate lol) the Danes still kept attacking and it was very close. In the endgame England won with less exhausted players, but rightly so. Without the own goal, what, if, would, does not matter, it was all fair enough. It is as it is, i for one am for England at sunday 9 p.m., high time they win. And they are good enough for this __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-08-21, 04:07 PM	#255
Cyborg322 Scurvy Dog of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Manchester England Posts: 1,125 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 0	to balance things up a little this article WHY DENMARKS GOAL SHOULD OF BEEN DISALLOWED Denmark's opening goal against England should not have stood according to laws of the game FIFA rules state that: "Where three or more defending team players form a 'wall,' all attacking team players must remain at least 1 metre (1 yard) from the 'wall' until the ball is in play." It's evident the one metre rule was not kept by the Danish players and the referees as well as VAR failed to spot the error amidst the jubilant celebrations from the Danes. /www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football Should of never been given in the first place IMO there was tugging and pulling by both sides like it nearly always is even well before the kick is taken. No consistency VAR MONITORS __________________ Last edited by Cyborg322; 07-08-21 at 04:31 PM.