Bin Laden is dead, official

[MH]

Originally Posted by Alex

Do you mean Photoshop is responsible for the throwing of Usama overboard ?

LOL.

I agree with you in some way : it happened that we got to hear about body doubles and all that. But going back to your country with NO PROOF of what you've done, is that better than bringing the supposed body of Usama back home ?

Now YOU're getting caricatural, Torplexed (with all due respect of course).

So you want to put his body in a museum?
Or throw it central square for every body to take souvenirs?

[MaddogK]

Ahh, a new day and a new game.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-s...-a-decade.html

Here's your free power-up, now lets have some fun.

[Skybird]

Pakistani secret service ISI says it is embarassed that it did not find out about Bin Laden hiding in that villa.

Translates into: they are embarassed that the US intel found out where the ISI was hiding Bin Laden.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by MH

So you want to put his body in a museum?
Or throw it central square for every body to take souvenirs?

"Pig food" is all I say. Just keep the eyes.

[MH]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Ahh, a new day and a new game.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-s...-a-decade.html

Here's your free power-up, now lets have some fun.

So secret is so outrageous and monstrous that neither republicans or democrats have nerve to expose it.
Then Obama just buries the secret and gains the points while every body keeps mouth shot?

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by MH

So secret is so outrageous and monstrous that neither republicans or democrats have nerve to expose it.
Then Obama just buries the secret and gains the points while every body keeps mouth shot?

Sure, it's only the second day the story was released and already the WH is changing the story.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

You'll never win with the conspiracy theory crowd. If you have the body it's a fake, a body double. I can't see it publicly so automatically all pictures are Photoshop. Either that you're a latter day Imperial Rome for parading the body around like a war prize, and offending all Islam for delaying a proper burial. If you bury it, it's a cover-up, of course.

There's a point where pleasing the tinfoil hat brigade is not a priority. I'm glad they handled the way they did.

Agreed. It would be pretty nasty to see what's left on display. And I am so glad he was shot on the spot, instead of taken alive. No way they should give him a forum to speak from.

[Skybird]

As I said yesterday, I am still not certain that it indeed was Bin Laden who got killed yesterday. The evidence is still lacking. The pictures of the body and head that got released so far are known to be forged since long time.

To 70% I tend to think he got killed, for 20% I think he already was dead since long before, and for 10% I think that it was just somebody else whom they killed yesterday, with Bin Laden's real fate unknown but him still being alive.

I am however certain that the ISI is key.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Agreed. It would be pretty nasty to see what's left on display. And I am so glad he was shot on the spot, instead of taken alive. No way they should give him a forum to speak from.

It's about evidence, Neal. Just about evidence. So far, there is NONE. Just rumours, claims and hear-say. No evidence. And an insightful mastermind of the operation would have forseen the need for evidence and made sure that the objective of getting undeniable evidence gets acchieved at all cost. In the propaganda war, this evidence is more important than the real fate of Bin Laden itself.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It's about evidence, Neal. Just about evidence. So far, there is NONE. Just rumours, claims and hear-say. No evidence. And an insightful mastermind of the operation would have forseen the need for evidence and made sure that the objective of getting undeniable evidence gets acchieved at all cost. In the propaganda war, this evidence is more important than the real fate of Bin Laden itself.

So what would it take for you to be satisfied? Is there any evidence that would satisfy you?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It's about evidence, Neal. Just about evidence. So far, there is NONE. Just rumours, claims and hear-say. No evidence. And an insightful mastermind of the operation would have forseen the need for evidence and made sure that the objective of getting undeniable evidence gets acchieved at all cost.

The only thing i could believe is that they took him alive to squeeze him out and shoot in the head later.
Wishful thinking though.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by MH

So secret is so outrageous and monstrous that neither republicans or democrats have nerve to expose it.
Then Obama just buries the secret and gains the points while every body keeps mouth shot?

Of course there are secrets about this, but not the actual raid against OBL, perhaps ... a bit part may, however, it will be the cover of respect for the right learning the bait, in this action, which could have been considerably earlier, but there are reasons that make that it is right now, no coincidence.

[AVGWarhawk]

Skybird, they have gone to great lengths in this mission. Bases surrounding me went into high alert over the weekend when this was occurring. I'm not sure why all the theatrics if this was a stage show only or showboating for some particular reason. This was was years of intel and some gotten at Gitmo (Tribesman ) from what I hear. For a team of Seals to risk their lives for a good show during the Obama administration does not make sense. I believe OBL is dead.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

So what would it take for you to be satisfied? Is there any evidence that would satisfy you?

Something that is better than a photoshop job that copied an image of a smashed skull from 2009 over a Bin Laden portrait from 1998. Beyond that forged photo we only have claims by the officials.

An animated feed that portraits the dead body together with an actual newspaper frontpage - that would have been a good start, and one that could even have been managed.

So far there is a forged photo, an sea burial with nobody able to witness the iodentity of the body that got kicked over board, a claimed genetical analysis that also lacks witnesses able to confirm that the sample from the body indeed was the sample from the body and that the comparsion sample indeed was that from Bin Laden, and his wife identifying BL. ASll oif this has been seen in many Mafia plotsa on TV, and even in real life, from forged dentist documentations to bought (or blackm ailed or intimidated witnesses).

It's the media age. Seeing is believeing. Animated feeds (animation makes it more difficult to forge details for example in a newspaper frontpage so perfectly that manipulated pixels can'T be identified) would have been the best start for proving that it was Bin Laden who got killed yesterday.

I am not about conspiracy theories. But what there is until now, simply is njot fully convincing. There is no evidence, but a forged photo and just this: claims. That is not good enough to really close the file. While the WH has an outspoken interest for right this: to just see the Bin Laden file closed, and claim it to be a success, and profit from this.

[razark]

It seems to me that if this was going to be faked, it would have been faked a lot closer to November 2012.

Of course, some people will never be convinced. There are people that seem to thrive off of disbelieving anything the government claims.