Libyan No-Fly Zone res. passed by UN - Page 17

Castout · 03-20-11, 11:03 PM

Never said about US weapons. And these people have risen to a level that many Europeans and Americans themselves haven't. They are courageous people and not barbaric savages to me. These are the people who deserve their best and a better life. These are the people I respect for their courage and principles and stand.

It will be speedy!

I will be in Libya to accept Gaddafi surrender

But first to get through Pro Gaddafi's mob in Tripoli

*Yeah I'm rather nuts I figured if some people would try to kill you for saying and doing nothing it's much better to be killed for saying and doing what you believe is right. At least there's justification and value to it. And it is noble too. A life cowed is not a life worth living. If you have to be persecuted be a persecuted opposition figure than just a persecuted figure.

Jimbuna · 03-21-11, 05:56 AM

Here are those Tiffy/Typhoon pictures I mentioned earlier.

The guy who took them has kindly granted permission for them to be posted.

They are the sole property of the guy who took them (name on the bottom).

One observant person noticed the last aircraft is not fully armed...have the defence cuts bitten that deep already?

TLAM Strike · 03-21-11, 07:28 AM

Transmission from a USAF EC-130J PyOps aircraft to Libyan naval forces...

Bilge_Rat · 03-21-11, 08:11 AM

There are contradictory reports coming out.

Le Figaro reports that french planes struck Khadafi's armour on sunday at 6h30 and 10h30 (local time) outside Benghazi knocking out many dozens of AFVs including T-72s and SP guns. Khadafi's forces were in full retreat on sunday away from Benghazi.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/international...e-benghazi.php

meanwhile Le Monde reports that French planes carried out no strikes on sunday because Khadafi's forces had pulled back. (One answer may be that the attacks were carried out by US or UK planes?).

President Sarkozy is also worried about the apparent pulllback by Arab nations and has been working the phones to convince Qatar and the UAE to follow through on their promises to commit aircraft to the No-Fly Zone.

http://elysee.blog.lemonde.fr/2011/0...ontre-kadhafi/

Of course, no one is talking about the Elephant in the room. The Rebels are too weak to push out Khadafi on their own and its doubtful the air strikes will be enough to tip the balance. Now that France, UK, Canada, Denmark and the USA are at war with Khadafi, they have no choice but to see it through to the end, which can only mean one thing: GROUND TROOPS.

Jimbuna · 03-21-11, 08:51 AM

Well count Britain out....we can't afford to pay any more in taxes.

Bilge_Rat · 03-21-11, 09:07 AM

I guess Sarkozy's phone calls worked. The president of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, is now backtracking. He says his comments of yesterday were wrongly interpreted and that the Arab League still supports UN Resolution 1973.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/20...nterpretes.php

tater · 03-21-11, 10:35 AM

In interviews with the "rebels," they call themselves muhajadin. Presumably this means they are engaged in a personal struggle to better themselves.

I'm not all that sure we'll end up any better helping them. I suppose helping just enough to prolong the conflict a long time is good, as then they can bump each other off.

Bilge_Rat · 03-21-11, 10:43 AM

interesting article in the NY Times about the leading role France took in getting the international community to move forward on Libya:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/wo...rance.html?hpw

I have to say I now have more respect for Sarkozy. I was sure France would do nothing over Libya since that would have been the safe political move. Sarkozy's backers have major financial interests throughout North Africa and he has nothing to gain in a risky "humanitarian" gesture which could easily turn into a costly war.

Its nice to see all the major European powers: UK, France, Italy, Denmark, Spain, Belgium, Norway as well as Canada, Qatar and the USA in a concerted, decisive effort....

...hmmm, I feel someone is missing from that list ...oh well, no one important, I'm sure...

Bilge_Rat · 03-21-11, 11:25 AM

Belgium joins the fight.

6 Belgian F-16s are presently conducting their first combat operations over Libya.

http://www.expatica.com/be/news/belg...on_137228.html

Bilge_Rat · 03-21-11, 12:56 PM

and now the canadians.

4 CF-188s flew an escort mission over Libya today.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories...-libya-110321/

Bilge_Rat · 03-21-11, 01:13 PM

another video of French aircraft in action. Mirage 2000s this time:

http://www.leparisien.fr/diaporama-v...ub=par:www:une

The French ministry of defence announced that French aircraft had carried out 55 sorties over libya, for a total of 400 hours since saturday.

Also the CV Charles De Gaulle will be in position to launch aircraft on tuesday.

http://www.leparisien.fr/interventio...11-1369940.php

Freiwillige · 03-21-11, 01:21 PM

The rebel alliance is advancing, Darth Vader is quoted during an interrogation of a captured rebel prisoner "Don't play games with me you weren't on any mercy mission, You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor! Take her away!"

Imperial General Ghadaffi "If word of this spreads it will generate sympathy in the European Union." Vader~"Leave that to me, send a distress signal saying everybody in Libya has been killed."

Freiwillige · 03-21-11, 01:55 PM

So one article I read The Libyan provisional government (REBELS) says they support the ceasefire called by the UN and are not fighting daffy, the next article I read talks about the Rebels advancing and engaging Libyan military forces. Double speak by politicians isn't just a western ideal I guess.

momo55 · 03-21-11, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Belgium joins the fight.

4 Belgian F-16s are presently conducting their first combat operations over Libya.

6 Belgian F-16's operating from Araxos , Greece .
Furthermore participating is the minehunter M923 Narcis BNS (Tripartite-class).

Not bad for a little country (still) without a "elected" government

Bilge_Rat · 03-21-11, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

So one article I read The Libyan provisional government (REBELS) says they support the ceasefire called by the UN and are not fighting daffy, the next article I read talks about the Rebels advancing and engaging Libyan military forces. Double speak by politicians isn't just a western ideal I guess.

The situation on the ground is confusing. Depending on reports, its either: 1) pro-Khadafi forces were pushed out of Misrata and Ajdabiah; or 2) fighting is still going on in Misrata and Ajdabiah.

One thing which does appear semi-clear is that pro-Khadafi forces were close to Benghazi on saturday, but retreated to Adjabiah following the air strikes. It appears the Rebels pursued them, but were rebuffed in their attempts to take Adjabiah.

03-20-11, 11:03 PM	#241
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	Never said about US weapons. And these people have risen to a level that many Europeans and Americans themselves haven't. They are courageous people and not barbaric savages to me. These are the people who deserve their best and a better life. These are the people I respect for their courage and principles and stand. It will be speedy! I will be in Libya to accept Gaddafi surrender But first to get through Pro Gaddafi's mob in Tripoli Yeah I'm rather nuts I figured if some people would try to kill you for saying and doing nothing it's much better to be killed for saying and doing what you believe is right. At least there's justification and value to it. And it is noble too. A life cowed is not a life worth living. If you have to be persecuted be a persecuted opposition figure than just a persecuted figure. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/ Last edited by Castout; 03-20-11 at 11:26 PM.*

03-21-11, 05:56 AM	#242
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,742 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Here are those Tiffy/Typhoon pictures I mentioned earlier. The guy who took them has kindly granted permission for them to be posted. They are the sole property of the guy who took them (name on the bottom). One observant person noticed the last aircraft is not fully armed...have the defence cuts bitten that deep already? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-21-11, 07:28 AM	#243
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Transmission from a USAF EC-130J PyOps aircraft to Libyan naval forces... __________________

03-21-11, 08:11 AM	#244
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	There are contradictory reports coming out. Le Figaro reports that french planes struck Khadafi's armour on sunday at 6h30 and 10h30 (local time) outside Benghazi knocking out many dozens of AFVs including T-72s and SP guns. Khadafi's forces were in full retreat on sunday away from Benghazi. http://www.lefigaro.fr/international...e-benghazi.php meanwhile Le Monde reports that French planes carried out no strikes on sunday because Khadafi's forces had pulled back. (One answer may be that the attacks were carried out by US or UK planes?). President Sarkozy is also worried about the apparent pulllback by Arab nations and has been working the phones to convince Qatar and the UAE to follow through on their promises to commit aircraft to the No-Fly Zone. http://elysee.blog.lemonde.fr/2011/0...ontre-kadhafi/ Of course, no one is talking about the Elephant in the room. The Rebels are too weak to push out Khadafi on their own and its doubtful the air strikes will be enough to tip the balance. Now that France, UK, Canada, Denmark and the USA are at war with Khadafi, they have no choice but to see it through to the end, which can only mean one thing: GROUND TROOPS. __________________

03-21-11, 08:51 AM	#245
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,742 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Well count Britain out....we can't afford to pay any more in taxes. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-21-11, 09:07 AM	#246
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I guess Sarkozy's phone calls worked. The president of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, is now backtracking. He says his comments of yesterday were wrongly interpreted and that the Arab League still supports UN Resolution 1973. http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/20...nterpretes.php __________________

03-21-11, 10:35 AM	#247
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	In interviews with the "rebels," they call themselves muhajadin. Presumably this means they are engaged in a personal struggle to better themselves. I'm not all that sure we'll end up any better helping them. I suppose helping just enough to prolong the conflict a long time is good, as then they can bump each other off. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

03-21-11, 10:43 AM	#248
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	interesting article in the NY Times about the leading role France took in getting the international community to move forward on Libya: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/wo...rance.html?hpw I have to say I now have more respect for Sarkozy. I was sure France would do nothing over Libya since that would have been the safe political move. Sarkozy's backers have major financial interests throughout North Africa and he has nothing to gain in a risky "humanitarian" gesture which could easily turn into a costly war. Its nice to see all the major European powers: UK, France, Italy, Denmark, Spain, Belgium, Norway as well as Canada, Qatar and the USA in a concerted, decisive effort.... ...hmmm, I feel someone is missing from that list ...oh well, no one important, I'm sure... __________________ Last edited by Bilge_Rat; 03-22-11 at 05:25 PM.

03-21-11, 11:25 AM	#249
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Belgium joins the fight. 6 Belgian F-16s are presently conducting their first combat operations over Libya. http://www.expatica.com/be/news/belg...on_137228.html __________________ Last edited by Bilge_Rat; 03-21-11 at 02:09 PM.

03-21-11, 12:56 PM	#250
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	and now the canadians. 4 CF-188s flew an escort mission over Libya today. http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories...-libya-110321/ __________________ Last edited by Bilge_Rat; 03-21-11 at 01:56 PM.

03-21-11, 01:13 PM	#251
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	another video of French aircraft in action. Mirage 2000s this time: http://www.leparisien.fr/diaporama-v...ub=par:www:une The French ministry of defence announced that French aircraft had carried out 55 sorties over libya, for a total of 400 hours since saturday. Also the CV Charles De Gaulle will be in position to launch aircraft on tuesday. http://www.leparisien.fr/interventio...11-1369940.php __________________

03-21-11, 01:21 PM	#252
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	The rebel alliance is advancing, Darth Vader is quoted during an interrogation of a captured rebel prisoner "Don't play games with me you weren't on any mercy mission, You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor! Take her away!" Imperial General Ghadaffi "If word of this spreads it will generate sympathy in the European Union." Vader~"Leave that to me, send a distress signal saying everybody in Libya has been killed."

03-21-11, 01:55 PM	#253
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	So one article I read The Libyan provisional government (REBELS) says they support the ceasefire called by the UN and are not fighting daffy, the next article I read talks about the Rebels advancing and engaging Libyan military forces. Double speak by politicians isn't just a western ideal I guess.