Who will be the next President of the United States?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Woot! At this time, Hillary is leading Obama 40% to 36% in NH, we still have a ballgame.

It's the choking up that did it.

[Zachstar]

Well it looks like she got it. Tho there is still a small chance here with 20 percent yet to report.

On DU the Hilbots are going nuts and going after anyone who DARES says crying had somthing to do with it.

Tho I will say it right now. I think when history looks back and noticies what I saw tonight! They will note how many people changed their minds at the last min there. People obviously feeling guilty if they don't vote for clinton because she had her soft moment.

So Clinton deployed torpedo 1 which was a short range torpedo with a large warhead of crying and "Iron my shirt!" folks. The "Iron my shirt!" likely isn't her doing but the result was the same.

NH you need to grow up and stop letting short term politics influence your vote. Otherwise you will be used and used for each and every election from here on out to aid the establishment.

This was not clean at all. I have not seen stuff this nasty since the Swift Boat days where I ran an IRC chat room for them back when I was a moron.

This is the future folks. This is how this stuff is going to play out until we get people who know how to break in get in there.

Im calling upon edwards to stop this madness that is taking votes away from Obama. He needs to set himself up to be a fine VP instead of setting things up for a Clinton win. He has NO chance to get in the white house if he loses anymore states. His declaration to say until the convention has empowered clinton to a huge degree.

Yes I am angry. I am angry not because Clinton won, but because of the way people allowed themselves to be used which was to void the influence of the youth and independent vote to the highest degree.

I saw the video where young people that were TIRED of the establishment chase Hannity into the building. They were the ones who LOST tonight.

So what is NH telling the people in the colleges across the union? That Clinton can go soft and their parents and their friends parents and grandparents will vote out of sympathy? That is completely UNAmerican because it allows us to be influenced easily.

Time to stop USA. If you are going to vote DO SOME RESEARCH and make up your mind. Switching at the last moment only tightens the grip the establishment has on you.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

It's the choking up that did it.

OMG, I hope Fred Thompson doesn't try that!

[August]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

OMG, I hope Fred Thompson doesn't try that!

I got a feeling Fred won't need to. Especially if the Democrats field Hillary in November...

[Peto]

One good thing about HC winning though is that it forces both her and Obama to continue and work to win. It may bring some more personal character to light about both of them. We need to see them under pressure!

I still believe Hillary's tears will work against her though... I'm interested to see what tactics they take in the next couple of weeks :hmm:.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Peto

One good thing about HC winning though is that it forces both her and Obama to continue and work to win. It may bring some more personal character to light about both of them. We need to see them under pressure!

I still believe Hillary's tears will work against her though... I'm interested to see what tactics they take in the next couple of weeks :hmm:.

They will not work against her if there are more sheep out there. More than ever it is about to come down to the Sheep vs the Thinkers here.

If the sheep win I guess I will just have to wait until 2020. If clinton decides she will actually allow elections to continue.

Maybe she will cry in front of congress to get an amendment that allows her to be president for 10 years. At this rate anything is possible.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

They will not work against her if there are more sheep out there. More than ever it is about to come down to the Sheep vs the Thinkers here.

If the sheep win I guess I will just have to wait until 2020. If clinton decides she will actually allow elections to continue.

Maybe she will cry in front of congress to get an amendment that allows her to be president for 10 years. At this rate anything is possible.

You're being sarcastic, right? It's hard to tell, it almost sounds like you are serious.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

You're being sarcastic, right? It's hard to tell, it almost sounds like you are serious.

What makes you think I am not?

Neal go have a look at the polls before. Have a look at the exit data. This ought to NOT have happened! Yet they allowed themselves to be influenced by some stupid events.

[Peto]

There's a lot of time before November. I even heard runblings of another potential candidate in the wings today... Nothing I took too seriously but this time around, anything could happen. If it all settles down to 2 candidates this early, we lose a chance to see them struggling to survive. Watching them under pressure is almost as important as their standings on policies.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

What makes you think I am not?

Neal go have a look at the polls before. Have a look at the exit data. This ought to NOT have happened! Yet they allowed themselves to be influenced by some stupid events.

I cannot rule that out, certainly, but I also think it could as easily have cost her votes. For every person who felt sympathetic, there could be 5 who were turned off to her for that.

I guess when you say something like Maybe she will cry in front of congress to get an amendment that allows her to be president for 10 years. At this rate anything is possible it sounds like some of the Democratic zealots who say the same thing about Bush, and for a guy as smart as you, it's hard to believe that you believe that.

[dean_acheson]

wow, just got home from a meeting, and see that hillary pulled it off.

boy, that's my first real shock of the campaign.

I guess OBH doesn't walk on water after all.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I cannot rule that out, certainly, but I also think it could as easily have cost her votes. For every person who felt sympathetic, there could be 5 who were turned off to her for that.

I guess when you say something like Maybe she will cry in front of congress to get an amendment that allows her to be president for 10 years. At this rate anything is possible it sounds like some of the Democratic zealots who say the same thing about Bush, and for a guy as smart as you, it's hard to believe that you believe that.

Don't rule out the power of Bush/Clinton and the power of want.

Ok the economy is about to go into a recession. There is little chance to dodge that now.

Oil continues to skyrocket led mainly by the fact that money is being dumped on the economy.

People allowed themselves to be influenced this early.

Price of gas will rise while jobless rates will also rise.

Food is skyrocketing.

The mexican military along with their drug runners is invading us on a regular basis.

Yes Hillery will wave some magic wands (Ending the War, Social Medicine) and do some other things to gain some trust. Yet if things continue to drop and people continue to decend into sheephood.

Well yes there is a chance she can "delay" elections or even easily change the rules in the name of "Keeping America Strong"

A depression without a good source of raw energy will likely throw us back into the steam age or worse. She knows she can influence people now. So she has a chance to pull off a dictatorship in the future.

[August]

So the short answer is yes? :rotfl:

[Peto]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Don't rule out the power of Bush/Clinton and the power of want.

Ok the economy is about to go into a recession. There is little chance to dodge that now.

Oil continues to skyrocket led mainly by the fact that money is being dumped on the economy.

People allowed themselves to be influenced this early.

Price of gas will rise while jobless rates will also rise.

Food is skyrocketing.

The mexican military along with their drug runners is invading us on a regular basis.

Yes Hillery will wave some magic wands (Ending the War, Social Medicine) and do some other things to gain some trust. Yet if things continue to drop and people continue to decend into sheephood.

Well yes there is a chance she can "delay" elections or even easily change the rules in the name of "Keeping America Strong"

A depression without a good source of raw energy will likely throw us back into the steam age or worse. She knows she can influence people now. So she has a chance to pull off a dictatorship in the future.

Well--that's a pretty worst case scenario (I hope). But frankly, I'm not as surprised by today's results. I said earlier in this thread that results would be very hard to judge before hand because of the turnout of independants and young voters this cycle.

I won't discount your concern though. The last couple elections have been really close and one of them Very controversial. A little paranoia isn't all bad.

But think about this. Watching these two (Hillary and Barack) throwing fastballs at each other for a while might work to our advantage. I'd like to see who has the wit to dodge and the stamina to stand up to the heater for at least a couple months. It's less pressure than they'll face in the White House.

[Zachstar]

There is a difference between throwing punches and firing torpedoes for sheep to ruin themselves on.

Debate and Crap is the usual and yes gets voters fired up. However crying and having people say "Iron my shirt!" was completely calculated to ruin anything.

The only way Obama could have defended in a state full of sheep was to start crying himself and have people act racist towards him.

This isn't good for anybody but the establishment.