GER politics thread

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Catfish

The word 'woke' originated in African American Vernacular English to refer to being 'woken up to' or alert to issues around racial injustice.
Using this word by today's right wing for everything they do not like is moronic.
Which is what you are. I'm out of here.

To me the word 'woke' just means to have subscribed to some kind of alternative thinking deemed to be outside the mainstream, I remember a bunch of consipiricy nuts in the early 20 teens using it alot.

[Skybird]

What the term "woke" means nowadays?


What the term “woke” might have meant hundreds of years ago is of little interest. How it is used today, in today's contemporary language and sociological and political usage - that is what counts. Language changes and transforms. So does the acceptance for or against the use of terms.

In the modern sense, the term “woke” is associated with conjuring up a hyper-moral inequality between two sides, by means of which one tries to force the other into a defensive, inferior, guilty position from the outset, from which a compulsion to make amends to the supposedly guilty party is derived, a pressure to justify oneself that is intended to prevent the accused from acting and arguing for themselves. In this way, the woke uses this tactic to assert particular special interests for his (mostly minority or ideological) group and to exploit them for endless and ever-expanding compensation payments in the sense of an avalanche.

In other words: being woke in the contemporary context means self-victimization in order to capitalize on it for oneself. The guilt of the other person does not even have to be proven; the mere assertion of guilt is already regarded as proof of fact, which, like a noose in which the victim wriggles, closes ever tighter around his neck the more he resists.

Wokism leads to the increasing brutalization of egoism, asociality, fragmentation of society, it counteracts the proclaimed goal of tolerance and solidarity and, with increasing sectarian zeal, demands more and more for itself alone - and also it demands that the other person be denied what is demanded for one's own sect, and it even demands the subjugation of the other person to one'S own dogma, and often an increasing disinhibition of communicative means and social manners can be observed in order to enforce this subjugation.

For me, the woke is a brutal asocial and fanatical egoist, an intolerant zealot with no sense of personal responsibility, personal contribution/performing, or pragmatic connection to reality. He is not interested in historical truths, falsification of history is a legitimate means to a selfish end, he is only interested in the abuse of others whose blood he wants to suck, accusations for the purpose of his own enrichment and ideological self-affirmation. I despise this brood. They are parasitizing at my expense and are living at my cost, that is their living model, because the state is forcing me to comply with these parasites.

[Skybird]

I did not know this guy so far. He live sin Germany since over 40 years, originally coming from Lebanon. But he did a lot of small internet movies, what I saw so far was pure gold. Though not funny at all, but very - well... realistic. The video on the previous page is by him, too. His films are boycotted in German mainstream. I assume its only a question of time until YT will sack him, too.



We need so many more of these free flying minds. But they get hunted down mercilessly.



English subtitles required if you understand no German.

[Ostfriese]

While in reality "woke" by now is only used by a certain group of people with the sole purpose of degrading somebody else to avoid having to listen to any of his/her arguments.



A classic "Kampfbegriff".

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

While in reality "woke" by now is only used by a certain group of people with the sole purpose of degrading somebody else to avoid having to listen to any of his/her arguments.



A classic "Kampfbegriff".

And this claim is what the psychologist in me would call a classical case of projection.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Skybird

What the term "woke" means nowadays?


What the term “woke” might have meant hundreds of years ago is of little interest. How it is used today, in today's contemporary language and sociological and political usage - that is what counts. Language changes and transforms. So does the acceptance for or against the use of terms.

In the modern sense, the term “woke” is associated with conjuring up a hyper-moral inequality between two sides, by means of which one tries to force the other into a defensive, inferior, guilty position from the outset, from which a compulsion to make amends to the supposedly guilty party is derived, a pressure to justify oneself that is intended to prevent the accused from acting and arguing for themselves. In this way, the woke uses this tactic to assert particular special interests for his (mostly minority or ideological) group and to exploit them for endless and ever-expanding compensation payments in the sense of an avalanche.

In other words: being woke in the contemporary context means self-victimization in order to capitalize on it for oneself. The guilt of the other person does not even have to be proven; the mere assertion of guilt is already regarded as proof of fact, which, like a noose in which the victim wriggles, closes ever tighter around his neck the more he resists.

Wokism leads to the increasing brutalization of egoism, asociality, fragmentation of society, it counteracts the proclaimed goal of tolerance and solidarity and, with increasing sectarian zeal, demands more and more for itself alone - and also it demands that the other person be denied what is demanded for one's own sect, and it even demands the subjugation of the other person to one'S own dogma, and often an increasing disinhibition of communicative means and social manners can be observed in order to enforce this subjugation.

For me, the woke is a brutal asocial and fanatical egoist, an intolerant zealot with no sense of personal responsibility, personal contribution/performing, or pragmatic connection to reality. He is not interested in historical truths, falsification of history is a legitimate means to a selfish end, he is only interested in the abuse of others whose blood he wants to suck, accusations for the purpose of his own enrichment and ideological self-affirmation. I despise this brood. They are parasitizing at my expense and are living at my cost, that is their living model, because the state is forcing me to comply with these parasites.

I say since 2016, leftism woke has gone main stream, its not really punching up anymore, its essentially being just safely aliged with the status quo on most issues. That is until the Trumps, Musks and Milies take over everything anyway.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by JU_88

I say since 2016, leftism woke has gone main stream, its not really punching up anymore, its essentially being just safely aliged with the status quo on most issues. That is until the Trumps, Musks and Milies take over everything anyway.

I agree, at least in Germany it is not extreme leftism or socialism, just because some say it is. The pendulum swung this way and it will swing back. Also Putin has managed to wake up some people here, and all over Europe.

@Skybird I guess I have to say sorry for giving you names further north in this thread. I had just watched an interview with AfD's Alice Weidel and Neonazi Hoecke. What a bullsh!t. How can anyone vote for this party and say in ten years "I did not see this coming, it is not my fault". Somehow heard of all this before, and I am not for a new experiment. But again, sorry.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by JU_88

I say since 2016, leftism woke has gone main stream, its not really punching up anymore, its essentially being just safely aliged with the status quo on most issues. That is until the Trumps, Musks and Milies take over everything anyway.

I cannot explain it any better than this film does. An eye opener. Non-Germans interested in German politics I can only recommend to take it upon them and activate the English translation subtitles so that they can understand ther film, its 25 minutes. Its not ideal with subtitles, but this film is very, very revealing and explains German politics extremely well, and form its middle on it explains why and how they swung so left. It already began in the 60s, if not late 50s, after the direct economic hardship of the war's immediate consequences had eased a bit and the Wirtschaftswunder began.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=2472

The Marsch durch die Instanzen - I repeatedly mentioned it before, I just did not know that the term derived directly from Rudi Dutschke. Schools. Universities. Companies. Public media. Legislation and politics and parties. The Green Party (originally ultra-left-maoist-marxist- communist, something that nobody wants to hear these days). The whole state. The whole society. Now we are there. Hooray. What the RAF did not acchieve, Dutschke did - as he predicted.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I agree, at least in Germany it is not extreme leftism or socialism, just because some say it is. The pendulum swung this way and it will swing back. Also Putin has managed to wake up some people here, and all over Europe.

@Skybird I guess I have to say sorry for giving you names further north in this thread. I had just watched an interview with AfD's Alice Weidel and Neonazi Hoecke. What a bullsh!t. How can anyone vote for this party and say in ten years "I did not see this coming, it is not my fault". Somehow heard of all this before, and I am not for a new experiment. But again, sorry.

You should have seen this coming-The combination of the German voters throughout decades have create this cancer on the society.

They, the voters in Europe can only blame them self for this cancer which is spreading across Europe

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

@Skybird I guess I have to say sorry for giving you names further north in this thread. I had just watched an interview with AfD's Alice Weidel and Neonazi Hoecke. What a bullsh!t. How can anyone vote for this party and say in ten years "I did not see this coming, it is not my fault". Somehow heard of all this before, and I am not for a new experiment. But again, sorry.

Its fine, Cat, I am kind of used to you blowing up a bit every couple of months . sometimes we agree more, and sometimes we disagree more. As long as you have understood at least that I am no Hoecke-fan or Nazi voter and hold no fascist convictions and have very different, pragmatic, desperate reasons to say about the AfD what I do say about them, you must not worry. I admit, I necessarily am easy to be misunderstood there. Again, my sympathy for the AfD is nill. Zero. Null. Non-existent. You are far more optimistic on the reformability of things, while I am not at all, and you have more psoitive views of the Eu than I have, mine are absolutely negative, completely. Thats what gets us crossing blades at times. I dont take your venting that much personal anymore. Irritating sometimes, but thats it.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by mapuc

You should have seen this coming-The combination of the German voters throughout decades have create this cancer on the society.

They, the voters in Europe can only blame them self for this cancer which is spreading across Europe

Markus

Well yeah, ultimatley we all get the society we deserve in most cases. and Everything wrong with Europe - we did to ourselves.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

You should have seen this coming-The combination of the German voters throughout decades have create this cancer on the society.

They, the voters in Europe can only blame them self for this cancer which is spreading across Europe

Markus

Again, that film I linked. You even understand German.


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=2472

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Well yeah, ultimatley we all get the society we deserve in most cases. and Everything wrong with Europe - we did to ourselves.

There is a saying - 'He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it'

I know the ghost of the nazis past is haunting in the mind of the elderly Germans and even the young ones.... If nothing is done I foresee a flourishing of the nazi party and the far right parties across Europe.

Sweden is a classic example on how a far right party goes from being unknown for the ordinary Swede and to grow up and get 20 % in the latest election

Markus

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by mapuc

There is a saying - 'He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it'

I know the ghost of the nazis past is haunting in the mind of the elderly Germans and even the young ones.... If nothing is done I foresee a flourishing of the nazi party and the far right parties across Europe.

Sweden is a classic example on how a far right party goes from being unknown for the ordinary Swede and to grow up and get 20 % in the latest election

Markus

Oh but we just love repeating misakes from history on this planet, if not those from our own nations past, then we can copy the screw ups from another nations past. the falacy and arrogance of: "it will be alright if WE are the ones doing it"

[Skybird]

Elon Musk and the German Greens.


https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/..._x_tr_pto=wapp