US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[ikalugin]

Meanwhile a classical spy story:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/state...foreign-agents

[Jeff-Groves]

Victoria and Ivan from Red?
Victoria was cleared of suspicion by putting 3 bullets in Ivan's chest.

[August]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Victoria and Ivan from Red?
Victoria was cleared of suspicion by putting 3 bullets in Ivan's chest.

She proved her love to Ivan by putting them into his chest instead of his head.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by eddie

Well I hope the Senate investigation of the Russian connection with people in the White House, goes better then what is happening with the House Investigation, Nunes has his head stuck up Trumps arse! I don't know how he can even draw a deep breath way up n there,lol No matter how the investigation comes out, we have to get this over with so the country can move on.

For those who would rather have a visual explanation of the Nunes situation:






The US does have to get the investigations done and done properly. The Senate GOP seems to have a better grasp of the need to be transparent and thorough; the House not so much and the main problem is Nunes. The house investigation under Nunes is a shambles and has opened up the GOP and Trump to cover-up and collusion accusations. I think the shark was jumped after the White House/Nunes meeting(s) and was further compromised by Nunes first wanting to have further hearings behind closed doors rather than in public. When it was reported some of the more notorious actors in the investigation (Manafort, etc.) offered to testify, little note was made of the fact Nunes was going to have those persons testify without taking the usual oath , thereby making them virtually immune to criminal perjury and, basically, giving them open license to lie. Nunes has go to go and Ryan needs to appoint a new GOP chair with clean hands, not only for the sake of a proper investigation, but, also, for the sake of the reputation of the GOP...




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[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by August

She proved her love to Ivan by putting them into his chest instead of his head.

What a Woman!

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

interesting, Trump does appear to be Teflon among republicans. His support remains sky high and he gets little blame for the ACA repeal issues:






just as interesting is the partisan divide over whether there was Russian interference...



..and whether Trump was wiretapped...



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/republic...cbs-news-poll/

no chance of any GOP revolt in Congress with these numbers.

Two things to take from this:

1. Bilge_Rat openly mocks and refutes all polling, such as the CBS (gasp!) polls he uses as validation of his points, as phony unless it makes whoever/whatever he supports look good;

2. GOP members approve of GOP candidates/issues which is a huuuge surprise (Stop the presses!!);

The big problem with this is the GOP is still the minority party overall in the US, slowly but surely falling well below the total number of registered DEM voters and even about to fall below the total number of voters registered as Independents; the GOP cannot win with just its own membership just as the DEMs cannot win with just its own membership. Take a look at the Approve/Disapprove graph posted: the Overall Total in Disapproval is 52%, while approval is at 40%, a whopping margin of 12%; given the undeclared percentage is only 8%, the GOP has a sizeable hill to climb; just to get to 51% approval, they need to get every single undeclared plus pare down at least 3% of the disapproval. Just because one is popular/approved with their own circle doesn't mean the same holds true outside; skunks are popular with other skunks, but outside of that, not so much...

Originally Posted by Platapus

The word of the day is

Kakistocracy

It is a word that we may be hearing a lot of these days.

Haven't heard of the word in some time, so thanks much!. Highly apt in the current situation...



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[em2nought]

Originally Posted by vienna

The big problem with this is the GOP is still the minority party overall in the US

Not if we can get more of these on a regular basis http://www.newson6.com/story/3500629...ers-police-say

[Gargamel]

This was written years before trump was even on the radar politically, but I find it very applicable for him today.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Not if we can get more of these on a regular basis http://www.newson6.com/story/3500629...ers-police-say

Those kind of stories have cropped up for decades now and they haven't appeared to benefit the GOP much, if at all. There are too many variables that have worked against the GOP over the years for something like this to really have n impact. If you really want to see what might very well happen to the GOP nationally, take a look at the California GOP: they let the wing-nuts take the reins of the party and the main body of the CA-GOP left the party in droves. It has gotten so bad, Orange County, CA, the strongest bastion of Conservative GOP politics in the state, with a majority of registered voters identifying as GOP, voted for a DEM Presidential candidate for the first time in 80 years. Equally amazing, the turnout in the county was 80.7%, about 25 points higher than the national average (Clinton got 50.9% of the total County vote compared to 42.3% for Trump). An additional fact is Orange County is considered to be a prime GOP "ATM", much in the way Hollywood is the DEM "ATM" when it comes to fundraising. Losing the decades long hold they have maintained on their 'foundation' county has put the CA-GOP in a much deeper hole politically and financially than ever. This matters to the national GOP because political trends in CA often have a ripple effect nationally. Perhaps
if Trump, during the campaign, had not stupidly acted in a manner that alienated women voters, he might have had a shot at winning the popular vote, a loss which is still a bug up his behind. Notably, if he had not riled a particular GOP woman, Meg Whitman, who has a significant influence with GOP power and money brokers and who, in disgust at Trump, turned her efforts to fundraising and campaigning for Clinton, he might have not given the CA-GOP such an embarrassing loss. As always, Trump is his own worst enemy...



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[eddie]

Now that Congress has killed a part of Internet Privacy, which means that you Internet Provider can sell your personal browsing history to Corporate America, what can we do about it? First thing I am glad of is that our state government is passing legislation that Internet Providers cannot sell your browsing history without our written consent. I hope other states will do the same thing, because this sucks to no end what they in Washington are doing!! Is this part of Trumps pledge to make America great again!?! What bullcrap!

But what I do like is what this guy is doing to get back at the clowns who voted for this ignorant bill. He has started a crowd funding project to raise $1 million dollars to buy the browsing history of the politicians who voted for this bill! Sure hope he makes it!

http://resistancereport.com/resistan...kers-internet/

Here is how people voted for what politicians browsing history should be bought first. He has raised 100K already,lol

https://searchinternethistory.com/

[ikalugin]

They just maintain the status quo.

[August]

Eddie you do realize that web companies like Google and Facebook were exempt and could sell your personal information without your permission even before these rules were rescinded right?

[August]

Interesting bit of news.

Apparently "some" EU supporters are trying to break up my country.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...Brexit-support

Originally Posted by August

Interesting bit of news.

Apparently "some" EU supporters are trying to break up my country.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...Brexit-support

Or more likely, one EU supporter made a feeble joke. Though he's German, and as Mark Twain noted, German jokes are no laughing matter.

EdiT: Oops. Juncker is Luxembourgish, not German. No idea what Luxembourgish jokes are like. Or even if they have any...

[Skybird]

Ja wat den nu?

LINK - The Telegraph - EU always was a CIA project