GER politics thread

[Skybird]

^ They all just organize theater. And they all put their party interests before the interests of the nation, the people and the economy.

Richard von Weizsäcker, and one cannot quote him often enough: "The political parties have taken the state as their prey."



Political parties should be banned. Only individual, non-organized persons should be eligible to be elected and enter parliaments. Party foundations or secret structures of this kind should be treated as a conspiracy against the state and the people. Candidates should be obliged to be as transparent as possible about their professional status, connections and past. The number of terms is limited to two or three. The lifelong profession of “politician” is banned. Only those who are over, say, 30 or 35 years, have completed vocational training and have worked in this profession and have a certain minimum of life experience (and oreferrably had some resonsibility they were held accountable for) may run for office. Ministers and similar positions must have professional experience in the field over which they preside. A change from the civil service or politics to business or vice versa is only possible after a longer waiting period.

Business and special interest group lobbying should be denied access to political and legislative decision-making processes. They influence politics in the same way any voter does: by giving a ballot at elections, not more.

Recipients of state aid, may it be wellfare may it be unemployment aid, and civil servants of all kinds should be denied any right to vote. The same goes for prisoners. Civil servants do not pay taxes - they get paid taxes, so there you have a profound conflict of interest. Specific basic and human rights apply in prison, yes, but not civil rights that do influence the organization of the state, legislation and the community. You are not a citizen when you are a prisoner - you are a prisoner, becasue you werwe found to be an offender. To nevertheless treat you with human decency in prison, is the responsibility of the state - not your natural right. You regain full citizenship when you get released.

Dual citizenship is not an option. You have to decide which country you want to belong to, you can't have two. If you want to live here, you can't feel that you belong there. Live where you feel you belong. But then please do both consistently. Ergo: no dual citizenship.

[Catfish]

I did not expect you to be a monarchist

"Decide which country to belong to". Before WW1 you did not even need a travel pass or identity card, and lots of people migrated to the US, to Germany, everywhere.
Nothing against identity or cultural values, but the concept of "nation states" is what started all this military and war mess, and it only began 200 years ago.

https://www.europeansources.info/rec...-nation-state/

[Skybird]

No, territorial feuds and religious feuds and economic feuds you have had since millenia. What is new in the mdoen era i sthe industruilaization of the killing. Which does not mean that the wars before could not get some impressive bodycounting done on their behalf, too, killing up to one quarter of the European population.
And what in the post before is "monarchistic"?

[Catfish]

But before, nations did not necessarily include certain cultural values or some code how to behave, instead culture and such wrote a completely different map of "borders". Like jewish culture in the then german regions of eastern Europe.

This is still true in Russia or Africa, where in the latter tribal structures and the general view of things have nothing to do with the artificial borders that have been drawn by some colonial powers, or by their own african warlords - e.g. Hutu and Tutsi.

"The coupling of nation with state also led to the development of one of the most powerful political forces of the modern world: nationalism. Nationalism has had the power to dissolve empires and to liberate peoples but also to develop into Nazism, fascism and an imperialism which led to two great wars in this century and many smaller wars bringing death and injury to millions of people."
https://www.europeansources.info/rec...-nation-state/

[Skybird]

All seem to expect that in the vote of no confidence against Scholz, all parties except the SPD and Greens will vote against Scholz. Then within 21 days the president must dissolve the parliament, and then within 60 days new elections must be held.


But what if the AfD, just for fun, votes FOR Scholz? Just so to enjoy the mess the create this way, and anger the others?



Then the Brandmauer, the firewall, against the AfD all of a sudden has seized to exist, and SPD, Greens and AfD would have voted together. To the disgust of the SPD and the fury of the CDU.


So, if the SPD wants to be sure, they must vote against their own chancellor, too. Whom they claim to still be their chancellor candidate.Or the Greens.



What a royal PITA for the SPD if the AfD does this!


And btwm, I am quite confident that if there will be elections, scholz will not be the SPD candidate. The resistence against him within the party is slowly and powerfully erupting, he will be kicked since he is too full of himself as if he would voluntarily step aside. He will enter history books as the most ridiculous, pitiful carricature of a chancellor ever. However, his liekly repalcement Oscar Pistorius, imo is just a blender, and there are some things form his past career that raise my suspicions about him, he is good in talking and posing, but imo its all just blinding. Nevertheless he is very popular with the people. But in the SPD, he is not, since for their standards he is way too "non-left".

[Skybird]

More and more people in the SPD are playing the swan song to Scholz. He is finished. Their candidate will be Pistorius.
Bad news for Merz (former CDU), winning the elections will be harder against Pistorius who now is Germany's most popular politician.

[Skybird]

Germany's supreme "Schlumpf", the little Bubble-Olaf, behaves utmost disgusting once again.

[Die Welt] The news from Rio de Janeiro is likely to have brought cheer to the Hamas leaders in their terror tunnels. In the final declaration of their summit meeting, the heads of state and government of the 20 major industrialized and emerging countries expressed their concern about the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip. Humanitarian aid must be urgently expanded and the protection of the civilian population must be strengthened. The G20 states also reaffirm the Palestinians' right to self-determination and declare their “unwavering commitment” to a two-state solution.

However, the cause of the war in the Middle East is completely concealed. Hamas' terrorist attack on Israel on October 7, 2023 is not mentioned at all. Before the summit, it was still being said in German government circles that such a possible outcome of the negotiations would not be acceptable. Now Chancellor Olaf Scholz has accepted the perpetrator-victim reversal after all.

A fundamental principle of German foreign policy was sacrificed in black and white in the final declaration because Olaf Scholz did not want to spoil the G20 summit party on the Copacabana for his friend, Brazilian President Lula. If the Chancellor took Israel's security seriously as a German reason of state, he would have had to refuse his consent to the final declaration.

Precisely because the final paper is primarily symbolic in nature, Olaf Scholz has missed the opportunity to send a powerful signal of support for Israel with his rejection.After all, Israel is not only defending itself, but is also fighting against the Islamist terror that also threatens Germany.However, the German delegation in Brazil merely shrugged its shoulders.

The final declaration is not only bitter for Israel, but also for Ukraine. The Russian war of aggression is not explicitly condemned by a majority of countries.This was different at the G20 summit in Bali two years ago.At that time, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was also invited, but this time Ukraine was not allowed to sit at the table.Germany's efforts to secure an invitation came to nothing.

This is a diplomatic victory for Russia, which is not even mentioned in the passage on the war against Ukraine.Only a general reference to the “human suffering and the negative additional effects of the war” is included, for example on food supplies and energy security.

The Federal Chancellor emphasizes that he has found “strong words” in the circle of the big 20 in connection with the war in Ukraine.

US President Joe Biden, on the other hand, has taken strong action.

His authorization to launch American missiles from Ukraine into Russian territory is more than symbolic politics.It is a powerful reaction to the deployment of North Korean soldiers on the Russian side, tolerated by China, which represents an international escalation of the war.

Olaf Scholz, who otherwise always stood shoulder to shoulder with Joe Biden, continues to refuse to supply Ukraine with the Taurus cruise missile and refers to his “principles”.What the Chancellor, who has been badly hit domestically, wants to make look like geopolitical prudence is in fact probably also an election campaign tactic.He wants to score points as a “peace chancellor”.

The fact that Scholz supports the scandalous final declaration from Rio de Janeiro with regard to Ukraine and Israel therefore fits the picture.The document ruthlessly reveals the current weakness of the Western community of values. The authoritarian states around Russia and China have asserted themselves on the global political stage.The final declaration from Rio is a disgrace.

[Jimbuna]

Once again we are both in full agreement and I'll pair our PM with your Chancellor.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Skybird

More and more people in the SPD are playing the swan song to Scholz. He is finished. Their candidate will be Pistorius.
Bad news for Merz (former CDU), winning the elections will be harder against Pistorius who now is Germany's most popular politician.

I was wrong.

Pistorius has just declared himself in an open speech, in which he said that he would in any case reject the candidacy, renounce it, not want it, say no. This clears the way for Bubble Olaf, it seems.

Babble Olaf has approval ratings of around 20 percent, with a downward trend, while Pistorius has over 60%. This puts Scholz in last place in a list of the 20 best-known politicians in Germany. Pistorius has even higher approval ratings than Merz (CDU), and tops this list. Not that I'm a fan, I think Pistorius is a phoney. I can only wonder. Unless, of course, Pistorius indeed simply has no personal desire for the job. That's the only reason that makes sense to me. He is 67.

It doesn't matter - if the SPD loses the election to the CDU, it will probably enter into a grand coalition with the CDU, and then we'll have another four years of Merkelian mildew covering the country and suffocating everything.

So, even for the next four years don't count on Germany at all.

[mapuc]

Will there be any major changes in your policy if Pistorious become the new leader?

Markus

[Skybird]

No.

One has to understand this. Any coalition possible without the AfD will result in always the same green-reddish lefty mess. The CDU makes no diofference, even if they become the strongets party, they will turn into the colour of their oclaition partner, its the onyl way fo rthem to secure the chancellor office. and of their coaltiion power is SPD or is the Greens, both oarty will let them bleed and demand concessiuons so big that there will not be a real chnage formt he red gren mess of the recent years, or the great coaltion under Merkel.

As long as the CDU rules out any coalition with AfD, there can and will be no real change of the status quo.

Also, CDU leader Merz is no heavy weight in himself. No courage. Already tactically manouvering. Submissive to the heritage of past coaltiions.

There will be no serious change. Just more of the same. In a way, the elections already got stolen from the voters.


Thats why they piss off the voters and m ake them turn to the AfD. Its jzst a quesiton of time before the AfD will win the majority. And that is why until then all other parties will try to ban and forbid it.

If that manouver succeeds, what then happens I dare not to predict. Could become very very ugly. If you constantly raise the heat, a pressure cooker holds together so and so long - and not longer. There comes the time then when it will go Booom.

[Skybird]

Could be that Pistorius thinks - correctly - that the election is a lost cause anyway, and that he does not want to get uselessly burnt over it.

Bubble Olaf, full of himself as always, still thinks he is the greatest, brightest, wittiest, and that he will win the election. After the poop he made in the past three years its just fair that it will be him who gets executed by voters on election day, and his party of Nibelungen loyalists alongside with him.

[Jimbuna]

Germany's Merkel dismayed by Scholz' demeanour in Lindner sacking

Former German chancellor Angela Merkel has spoken out against the strident public stance of her successor Olaf Scholz over his dismissal of his then finance minister Christian Lindner and the resultant collapse of the coalition government.

"When Olaf Scholz spoke so bluntly, there was some unease among the public. Some thought: If our federal chancellor is so out of touch - heavens above - how bad is it for our country?" Merkel was quoted as telling Der Spiegel magazine on Friday.

Scholz sacked Lindner on November 6 after a dispute over economic and budgetary policy. Lindner's Free Democratic Party (FDP) then withdrew its ministers from the alliance with the Greens and the Social Democrats, of which Scholz is a member, causing the coalition to break up.

Scholz accused the FDP chief of irresponsible behaviour, saying, "He has too often engaged in petty party-political tactics. Too often he has broken my trust."

Serious government work was not possible in this way, he added.

Commenting on whether Scholz had violated the dignity of his office with his comments, Merkel replied, "I wouldn't have said it if I thought it was a prime example of dignity."

The chancellor heads the constitutional body of the government, noted Merkel, who led Germany for a total of 16 years. "His office has dignity, and that should always guide you."

As chancellor, you have to ride out the hard knocks, she added. "You feel a lot of emotions, but it's better to shout at the wall in your office than at the German public."

Merkel said her immediate thought when witnessing the spat between Scholz and Lindner was, "Men!" When asked what seemed typically male to her, the 70-year-old former chancellor replied, "For example, taking things personally. You should avoid that as much as possible in politics."

Scholz intends to call a vote of confidence in Parliament on December 16. If, as expected, he does not receive a majority, elections will be held on February 23.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...589ee46b6&ei=4

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Could be that Pistorius thinks - correctly - that the election is a lost cause anyway, and that he does not want to get uselessly burnt over it.

Bubble Olaf, full of himself as always, still thinks he is the greatest, brightest, wittiest, and that he will win the election. After the poop he made in the past three years its just fair that it will be him who gets executed by voters on election day, and his party of Nibelungen loyalists alongside with him.

Look, In the near future what difference will the change in any of your government make ? Your country is committed to Ukraine to the end.Your country is committed to NATO and the war. Again the cloud of destruction hangs above the German people. Only this time the it will come from the Liberal globalist of America and Europe. Ah, how does that hot dog taste ?

[Jimbuna]

German defence minister seeks 4.7 billion euro deal to buy four submarines, sources say

BERLIN (Reuters) -German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius wants to purchase four submarines in a deal worth more than 4.7 billion euros ($5 billion) that will require parliamentary spending committee approval, two sources told Reuters on Friday, confirming a news report.

In a request submitted to the committee, the ministry says the acquisition is needed for Germany to fulfil new NATO requirements for better protection of the alliance's northern flank, according to Spiegel news magazine, which has seen the documents.

The ministry is seeking to procure four more Type 212CD submarines which are manufactured by Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems, sources told Reuters.

Thyssenkrupp did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The defence ministry said that ongoing parliamentary talks about funds for further defence procurement were "good and constructive" without providing detail on specific projects.

In total, the budget committee has received 29 so-called "25-million euro proposals" for defence and equipment projects that are to be adopted this year, budget committee members told Reuters. Any military procurement worth more than 25 million euros needs approval from the parliamentary budget committee.

Members of the budget committee told Reuters that they are analysing it.

"We are paying particular attention to the proposal to purchase additional submarines due to its importance in terms of security policy, but also because of the high amount of funds required," said Karsten Klein, member of the budget committee from the Free Democrats (FDP).

Another committee member told Reuters that the proposal is to be decided on this year.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...d54d28c1&ei=15