Can This Be A Work Around For The 8 KM Visibility? - Page 16

CCIP · 08-02-05, 04:25 PM

Sure thing, Beery:

(this is the huge Happy Times convoy, except the last screenshot - thus the lower FPS).

Gammel · 08-02-05, 04:35 PM

Ok, thats enough, im a patient person but...

If you donÂ´t release it now iÂ´ll torture my birds.
Try to mention those little innocent creatures...
You have 5 minutes.

sergbuto · 08-02-05, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jungman

Testing more last night, I noticed [i]my crew was spotting at 17 km at night!

With the current beta version of Manuel's mod and the stock game my crew can detect ships only within 8000 m even during day time and at good weather.

jasonb885 · 08-02-05, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sergbuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jungman

Testing more last night, I noticed [i]my crew was spotting at 17 km at night!

With the current beta version of Manuel's mod and the stock game my crew can detect ships only within 8000 m even during day time and at good weather.

Are you saying the mod has no effect on your system?

sergbuto · 08-02-05, 05:24 PM

I am saying that I can see ships at ~18000m but not my crew till the ships are at about 8000m.

Manuel Ortega · 08-02-05, 05:32 PM

Here is last version:
http://www.mp-labs.com/sh3mods/visibility_mod_v091.zip
I will make it a little more 'public' once the problems are gone.

I must say that I'm able to see far ships (~17000 m) and my crew too, at least on surface. At periscope depth, it takes a little time to my crew to see a so far ship.

Jungman · 08-02-05, 05:44 PM

Serbuto, make sure your Sensors.dat file has your Visual MaxRange set to 17.5 km and PreciseRange set to 17.0 km.

That is the changes made in Manuel's Visibility mod. You must increase your visual distance beyond 8 km in that file.

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Spotting at night by crew is same as daytime. It would seem these setting in Sensors.CFG has no effect in game which affects your crew. Here is changes made by the beta mod. I tried alot of combos, it is as if the game ignores these values. As for the enemy AI Sim.CFG the modifiers seem to work.

[SensorParameters]
; Sensors Detection Parameters

;Visual.
Visual range factor=0.5 ;[>=0] 0.5
Visual fog factor=0.85 ;[>=0] 1
Visual light factor=1.5 ;[>=0] 0.8
Visual waves factor=0.8 ;[>=0]
Visual speed factor=0 ;[>=0]
Visual aspect=0.9 ;[>=0]
Visual enemy speed=0.2 ;[>=0]
Visual noise factor=0 ;[>=0]
Visual sensor height factor=0.5 ;[>=0]
Visual already tracking modifier=600 ;[detection probability modifier], most accurate, once a contact is detected it will lose it very hard
Visual decay time=200 ;[>0] already tracking bonus decay, in seconds
Visual uses crew efficiency=false ;[true or false]

;Radar.
Radar range factor=1 ;[>=0]
Radar fog factor=0 ;[>=0]
Radar light factor=0 ;[>=0]
Radar waves factor=0 ;[>=0]
Radar speed factor=0 ;[>=0]
Radar aspect=1 ;[>=0]
Radar enemy speed=0 ;[>=0]
Radar noise factor=0 ;[>=0]
Radar sensor height factor=0 ;[>=0]
Radar already tracking modifier=10 ;[detection probability modifier]
Radar decay time=150 ;[>0] already tracking bonus decay, in seconds
Radar uses crew efficiency=false ;[true or false]

Now what difference does checking under Realism setting does 'realistic sensors' do? It was to reduce effeciency and detection by your sub, I suspect via enabling this check box file to use the modifers given in Sensors.CFG. I do not see any difference. I think it is broken somewhere.

This problem has always been around, just at 8 km it is not so noticeable, at plus 17 km it is more pronounced. The watch crew visual range and quick spotting is the same at night and daytime?

Quick detection also occurs no matter if the ship is close, or far away. Only the default fog works since that is tied directly to the game 3D model. Are these modifers even being applied?

v!por · 08-02-05, 06:17 PM

Jungman and gents:

I modded to allow XXI for May of 43 :<) i am interested in "What ifs" more than historical repeat...

I am getting great results with these mods previously mentioned.
XXI boat at 14 or 15 meters depending on sea state... speed at 5 or 6 knots... both scopes up and on AI... I am North of Great Britain...

crew is visually spotting ac at about 2 km. This includes small ac like Spits, biplane and what looks like dauntless divebombers.... AND :<) many times these planes do not see the snorkel ... and I dive down to 50 meters for safety for a while....

Gents.. thank you ... thank you :<) Oh ya... convoy routes NW of GB ...... two convoys not to far apart.... "with XXI .. happy times"

Beery · 08-02-05, 07:40 PM

Looks good to me. What about with fog - how does that look?

martes86 · 08-02-05, 10:00 PM

Manuel is doing a great job. Luckily, he started it after we knew about this X1 thingie, hehehe

Observer · 08-02-05, 10:21 PM

Jungman,

What is the relationship between the visual MaxRange and PreciseRange? I'm not sure how the AI works, but the PreciseRange seems to be the distance setting to show map contacts and remove the imprecise lines. Have you tried setting the visual PreciseRange to something less, like the original 8 km and see the effect on RWR (adjusted out past the visual PreciseRange of course)?

Jungman · 08-02-05, 10:38 PM

No, I have not tried that. It does sound interesting. :hmm: I'll give it a go.

Lately, I was trying to understand why the game seems to ignore the modifiers in Sensors.cfg.

Relating to seeing long range at night as well as in the day.

lurker_hlb3 · 08-02-05, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manuel Ortega

Here is last version:
http://www.mp-labs.com/sh3mods/visibility_mod_v091.zip
I will make it a little more 'public' once the problems are gone.

I must say that I'm able to see far ships (~17000 m) and my crew too, at least on surface. At periscope depth, it takes a little time to my crew to see a so far ship.

I have run some test missions and this is outstanding, changes the whole feel of the sim.

BZ

Leigh

OSC USN Ret

Beery · 08-03-05, 12:17 AM

Manuel, when you get this working to your satisfaction I'd love to plug this into the RUb mod if you're willing to give us your permission. It seems you're on the right track, and that the visibility issues are going to get solved very soon, just as you solved similar underwater problems. Thanks for all the work you're putting into this!

CCIP · 08-03-05, 12:39 AM

Just wondering - do the SkyColors files contain relevant settings for this mod? I've tried using RUb colors and haven't had any problems, but that may be because I haven't tried it with any fog/clouds yet.

If not, again, I hope this can be made compatible with RUb's darker reflections; I would do it myself but I'm not familiar with the SkyColors files at all...

08-02-05, 04:25 PM	#1
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Sure thing, Beery: (this is the huge Happy Times convoy, except the last screenshot - thus the lower FPS). __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

08-02-05, 05:24 PM	#5
sergbuto Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,331 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I am saying that I can see ships at ~18000m but not my crew till the ships are at about 8000m. __________________ Serg's SH4 and SH3 pages

08-02-05, 06:17 PM	#8
v!por Watch Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 26 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Report AC detection while snorkel and scopes ai Jungman and gents: I modded to allow XXI for May of 43 :<) i am interested in "What ifs" more than historical repeat... I am getting great results with these mods previously mentioned. XXI boat at 14 or 15 meters depending on sea state... speed at 5 or 6 knots... both scopes up and on AI... I am North of Great Britain... crew is visually spotting ac at about 2 km. This includes small ac like Spits, biplane and what looks like dauntless divebombers.... AND :<) many times these planes do not see the snorkel ... and I dive down to 50 meters for safety for a while.... Gents.. thank you ... thank you :<) Oh ya... convoy routes NW of GB ...... two convoys not to far apart.... "with XXI .. happy times"

08-02-05, 07:40 PM	#9
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Looks good to me. What about with fog - how does that look? __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen.

08-03-05, 12:17 AM	#14
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Manuel, when you get this working to your satisfaction I'd love to plug this into the RUb mod if you're willing to give us your permission. It seems you're on the right track, and that the visibility issues are going to get solved very soon, just as you solved similar underwater problems. Thanks for all the work you're putting into this! __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen.

08-02-05, 04:35 PM	#2
Gammel Commodore Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 Downloads: 276 Uploads: 0	Ok, thats enough, im a patient person but... If you donÂ´t release it now iÂ´ll torture my birds. Try to mention those little innocent creatures... You have 5 minutes.

08-02-05, 05:32 PM	#6
Manuel Ortega Sailor man Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Alicante - Spain Posts: 48 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here is last version: http://www.mp-labs.com/sh3mods/visibility_mod_v091.zip I will make it a little more 'public' once the problems are gone. I must say that I'm able to see far ships (~17000 m) and my crew too, at least on surface. At periscope depth, it takes a little time to my crew to see a so far ship.

08-02-05, 05:44 PM	#7
Jungman Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 596 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Serbuto, make sure your Sensors.dat file has your Visual MaxRange set to 17.5 km and PreciseRange set to 17.0 km. That is the changes made in Manuel's Visibility mod. You must increase your visual distance beyond 8 km in that file. -------------------- Spotting at night by crew is same as daytime. It would seem these setting in Sensors.CFG has no effect in game which affects your crew. Here is changes made by the beta mod. I tried alot of combos, it is as if the game ignores these values. As for the enemy AI Sim.CFG the modifiers seem to work. [SensorParameters] ; Sensors Detection Parameters ;Visual. Visual range factor=0.5 ;[>=0] 0.5 Visual fog factor=0.85 ;[>=0] 1 Visual light factor=1.5 ;[>=0] 0.8 Visual waves factor=0.8 ;[>=0] Visual speed factor=0 ;[>=0] Visual aspect=0.9 ;[>=0] Visual enemy speed=0.2 ;[>=0] Visual noise factor=0 ;[>=0] Visual sensor height factor=0.5 ;[>=0] Visual already tracking modifier=600 ;[detection probability modifier], most accurate, once a contact is detected it will lose it very hard Visual decay time=200 ;[>0] already tracking bonus decay, in seconds Visual uses crew efficiency=false ;[true or false] ;Radar. Radar range factor=1 ;[>=0] Radar fog factor=0 ;[>=0] Radar light factor=0 ;[>=0] Radar waves factor=0 ;[>=0] Radar speed factor=0 ;[>=0] Radar aspect=1 ;[>=0] Radar enemy speed=0 ;[>=0] Radar noise factor=0 ;[>=0] Radar sensor height factor=0 ;[>=0] Radar already tracking modifier=10 ;[detection probability modifier] Radar decay time=150 ;[>0] already tracking bonus decay, in seconds Radar uses crew efficiency=false ;[true or false] Now what difference does checking under Realism setting does 'realistic sensors' do? It was to reduce effeciency and detection by your sub, I suspect via enabling this check box file to use the modifers given in Sensors.CFG. I do not see any difference. I think it is broken somewhere. This problem has always been around, just at 8 km it is not so noticeable, at plus 17 km it is more pronounced. The watch crew visual range and quick spotting is the same at night and daytime? Quick detection also occurs no matter if the ship is close, or far away. Only the default fog works since that is tied directly to the game 3D model. Are these modifers even being applied?

08-02-05, 10:00 PM	#10
martes86 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Colourful Seville - Spain Posts: 971 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Manuel is doing a great job. Luckily, he started it after we knew about this X1 thingie, hehehe

08-02-05, 10:21 PM	#11
Observer Commander Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 477 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Jungman, What is the relationship between the visual MaxRange and PreciseRange? I'm not sure how the AI works, but the PreciseRange seems to be the distance setting to show map contacts and remove the imprecise lines. Have you tried setting the visual PreciseRange to something less, like the original 8 km and see the effect on RWR (adjusted out past the visual PreciseRange of course)?

08-02-05, 10:38 PM	#12
Jungman Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 596 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No, I have not tried that. It does sound interesting. :hmm: I'll give it a go. Lately, I was trying to understand why the game seems to ignore the modifiers in Sensors.cfg. Relating to seeing long range at night as well as in the day.

08-03-05, 12:39 AM	#15
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Just wondering - do the SkyColors files contain relevant settings for this mod? I've tried using RUb colors and haven't had any problems, but that may be because I haven't tried it with any fog/clouds yet. If not, again, I hope this can be made compatible with RUb's darker reflections; I would do it myself but I'm not familiar with the SkyColors files at all... __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)