Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

“The internal expurgation of the Islamic spirit is not possible in any platonic way. For the Islamic spirit is the product of the Muslim person. Unless we expel the Islamic people. Unless we expel the Islamic people soon, they will have islamized our people within a very short time.”

The intolerant will overwhelm the tolerant if the tolerant even tolerate the intolerant, yes, and with the tolerant their tolerance will be destroyed as well. Popper, anyone?

You may now see why I refuse to actively help the state to enforce its pro-Muslim migration policies, why I refuse to help it, and why I avoid to make devout Muslims loyal to the Quran feel welcomed and tolerated. They are neither welcomed, and tolerance that is enforced (by the state), is no tolerance, but pressure and blackmailing.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Once becoming its property - it's property for life. At least so Islam claims.

Disagreeing on this is forbidden by threat of death penalty. For life means: for life for sure.

At least so islam thinks/claims/ticks. Apostates may disagree at their own risk.

So "this Islamic contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Muslim, has been banished from our midst."

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

So "this Islamic contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Muslim, has been banished from our midst."

Muslim in the meaning of true Muslim ("Quranic Muslim") - yes. This should not surprise you at all. Formally, from Islam's POV, my buddy who was with me this last afternoon, is Muslim, becasue he weas born to a Muslim father and so is Islamic property for life. In reality, he has become an apostate long time ago. His family clan came to Germany the same year I moved to this town, in 2000. Both his brother and sister meanhwile have fled from Islamophile Europe in disbelief, to Thailand. They felt threatened by what is going on in Europe. The parents were murdered in Lebanon when attending a secret meeting with other family members - a visit that obviously did not remain to be secret, and those other family members obviously did not tolerate their escape from them and from Islam.

These people, Oberon, are not to be called Muslim anymore. They are not. Not by Western understanding. And that is the understanding that they have chosen for themselves.

P.s. the one thing I do not forgive him is that he has driven all the German racetracks that I only know from simulations. He does amateur stockcar racing and trackday racing as a private hobby in real life. Poor me - does not even own a car...

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Oberon

So "this Islamic contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Muslim, has been banished from our midst."

I was wondering what you were quoting so I googled and... look what came up

[Skybird]

We probably googled at the same time, I only wonder whether we came to the same conclusions that Oberon intended.

I add this again, because I think it has not gotten the attention that it deserves when I quoted it some pages earlier. Take it as a counter to Oberon's extremely indirect point-delivery .

In Malik’s analysis of Quranic strategy, the human soul — and not any physical battlefield — is the center of conflict. The key to victory, taught by Allah through the military campaigns of the Prophet Muhammad, is to strike at the soul of your enemy. And the best way to strike at your enemy’s soul is through terror. Terror, Malik writes, is “the point where the means and the end meet.” Terror, he adds, “is not a means of imposing decision upon the enemy; it is the decision we wish to impose.”
(...)
How we respond to this attack is of great consequence. If we take the position that we are dealing with a handful of murderous thugs with no connection to what they so vocally claim, then we are not answering them. We have to acknowledge that today’s Islamists are driven by a political ideology, an ideology embedded in the foundational texts of Islam. We can no longer pretend that it is possible to divorce actions from the ideals that inspire them.

http://www.corriere.it/esteri/15_gen...cea2bbd2.shtml

[Oberon]

So...basically you believe that there should be a "systematic legal combating and elimination of the privileges of Muslims, that which distinguishes the Muslims from the other aliens who live among us (an Aliens Law)." but that "The ultimate objective [of such legislation] must, however, be the irrevocable removal of the Muslims in general."

[Skybird]

I see no reason why any migrant group should be given special rights and treatments that neither any home group nor other migrant group is allowed nor demands. I also see no reason why any relgious lineage shoukld be given the right to be elcuded from secular state order'S rules and laws.

As far as "Muslims" staying here, obviously I differ between "Muslims" being real Muslims, which means they have all that Quran and satuff in theirm luggae and are loyal to it, whith the impolkicaiton that they will not inegrate, becaseu the Quran leave sno doubt on where their loyalty hgas to be: not with antinality and state law,. but with shariah.That is not negotiable, and beleivers of such a dogma will not be missed if they would lose the country and bvr come back. And then there are Muslims who call themselves Muslim by habit only but already have abandoned major parts of relgious demands and rulkes for their way of living. These are no real Muslims anymore, from an Islamic/Quranic POV. These should be seen and assessed fro pemritting to stay by the standards used for other miogrant groups: needed qualification, perspective for integration, language skill, and so on. Or something like the Canadian system.

So obviously I will not do anything that encourages the "real" Muslims to stay, or to come to this place in the first. Why should that be desirable? They will mean nothing but trouble, an they will not integrate. We SEE that they do not integrate, and instead form subcultural colonies and self-chosen isolation in parallel societies. Thy even often frankly admit that they do not want that, and that they do not want to approach Germany and the Germans. And that means nothing but trouble. I want them as much as I want a huge Scientology community, or a blossoming Nazism, or a healthy Moon sect, or the KKK. We must not want everybody. And we have the natural right to say No.

And consider this: the more migration you impose on the Germans that they do not want, the more their ressentiments, their hostility, their anger will grow, and the more radicalisation and tolerance for extremists on German side you will get. Social dynamics should not be ignored. You will reap the conflict that you have sown.

Haven't I just explained AfD and Pegida and the growing number of violent incidents against mosques?

We need migration. And many migrant groups are welcomed, and integrate, and bring skills we need on the labour market. But some migrant grouops bring us nothing of that, but trouble. And these we should sort out. That is the reasonable thing to do. And it is morally perfectly legal.

Ooops, its late. I'm out.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I want them as much as I want a huge Scientology community, or a blossoming Nazism, or a healthy Moon sect, or the KKK.

Well, exactly, I mean who would want Nazism? I mean people with the same views as Adolf Hitler are quite clearly deranged.

[Dowly]

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, exactly, I mean who would want Nazism? I mean people with the same views as Adolf Hitler are quite clearly deranged.

Deranged or not, before anything else they are first and foremost not Nazizists, terrorist Nazissis, fundamentalist Nazizobies or radical Nazizerros, but mainstream Nazis. Simply good ol' fashioned Nazis by the definition of the book. No further attribution of adjectives needed. Simply: Nazis.

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/unbek...a-1012368.html

Unidentified attackers have thrown an incendiary composition into the archives of German newspaper Hamburger Morgenpost during the night. On the day before, the paper had reprinted cartoons from Charlie Hebdo on its front page, with the headline "This much freedom has to be". The office for protection of the state has taken over investigation, saying it is self-evident to assume a link to the events in Paris.

[Betonov]

They're last minute dis-organized copycats.
They'll be caught by the police soon enough.

If there was a substantial link with Paris, they'd go in organized with assault weapons, not throw a fire bomb I can make in 5 minutes in my garage.

[Skybird]

Copycats or not, that is not what matters here. Not everybody got a combat, discipline and terror training like the thugs in Paris. What matters is that it happened. And that illustrates the motivational power of the events in Paris, and that there are people out there who are willing to follow that example as best as they can, amateurs or not. And that is what worries the security authorities more than anything else. There is no defence possible.

Meanwhile this, a Turk commenting quite honestly about the hypocrisy that also is to be seen in the official, politically correct reaction of the Muslim community to the events in Paris. For some reason, views like this still are underrepresented in the mainstream media, even after Paris.


"The magic formula "This has nothing to do with Islam" does not work anymore: A call for more honesty, thoughtfulness and self-criticism among Muslims" - Hit the translate button:
https://translate.google.de/translat...ehr&edit-text=

German original:
http://www.achgut.com/dadgdx/index.p...eht_nicht_mehr

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Deranged or not, before anything else they are first and foremost not Nazizists, terrorist Nazissis, fundamentalist Nazizobies or radical Nazizerros, but mainstream Nazis. Simply good ol' fashioned Nazis by the definition of the book. No further attribution of adjectives needed. Simply: Nazis.

Absolutely, if a person agrees with the preachings of Adolf Hitler, no matter what their form, if he or she is in accordance with those words then they are a Nazi, a fascist, despite all their claims to be the opposite. They are the followers of an ideology that resulted in the deaths of over six million people and a major world war.
I think we can agree on this, can we not?

[Skybird]

Well, exchange "Nazi" and "Hitler" with "Muhammedan" and "Muhammad", and your agreement ends, I fear.