DCS Black Shark - Page 16

longam · 06-15-11, 04:54 PM

If you can still rotate the fuselage after breaking off the tail then there is a major problem with the flight sim. The wash from the rotors overs the tail fin should provide enough force to do this.

Arclight · 06-16-11, 08:34 PM

Not sure I understand what you mean.

Sledgehammer427 · 06-16-11, 09:55 PM

I don't want this to stray too far offtopic, but, I'm looking into buying Black Shark. I know my way areound flight sims bu helis aren't my big thing. Realism is however. its still 40 bucks, but, while I'm already pretty much sold, is the online multiplayer stable? good? how about the rest of the game...is there a campaign mode with 5+ missions....is there a decent stable of user created missions?

i see this flight night stuff going on. any fun?

Sledgehammer427. popping up with all the big questions

Arclight · 06-16-11, 10:29 PM

Can't recall the thing ever crashing, except 1 or 2 of the beta releases of A-10C. Is it any good? Well I'd say it is. Same ol' thing with more people (ideally). Campaigns are decent, definetly more than 5 missions. Some are made with branching results for succes and failure, but it's not exactly dynamic. Say you fail one mission and then have a succes on the one you get after that, you'll flow back to the one you failed. There is definitely some user created stuff out there.

Flight Night is quiet. Just Dowly and me for the Ka-50 and Berbunch and me for the A-10C. I'd fly it alone if no one showed up at all, so not a problem, but we could use some more pilots.

Herr-Berbunch · 06-17-11, 06:58 AM

Arc, still up at 5.30am!

Sledge - I only recently got BS, and it is good but it is a very steep learning curve coming from other sims. Occasionally I'll manage to drop into Arc's server on a Wednesday and just practice, practice, crash, practice, whilst the others just get on with the mission in hand - I try to stay out of their way. (I may have overemphasised the practice - more crash, crash, practice, crash - but still enjoyable). The only downside is the start-up procedure is slow (realistic!), no just hopping in and setting off like in most sims. Only a real pain if you crash as often as I do.

I think A-10C is better, maybe just because it's newer, maybe because it's not a helicopter and thus easier to fly. I don't understand why more people haven't joined in the Thursday Flight Nights.

I've just checked currency conversions, and for $40 it's about what I paid, but cheaper than I could get it for now.

Sledgehammer427 · 06-23-11, 02:14 AM

well, I played the demo and Black shark and A-10 did this for me...

I'm building a new rig.
my pc meets reqs and can barely handle the game.

Herr-Berbunch · 06-23-11, 09:58 AM

Here are some handy places for advice/guides -

http://en.wiki.eagle.ru/wiki/Resources_for_New_Pilots

A brilliant write-up on why certain things in a Ka-50 are different, and what can be done to help combat these (stop me crashing so often?) - http://simhq.com/_air13/air_427a.html

Edit - @Arclight, I've only just read it so my 53 crashes last night can be forgivable?

Kapitän Schneider · 06-15-12, 10:10 AM

Anyone know any tips or tutorials on how to do a proper landing? I can do a Lolwaffles landing just not a text book landing.

Arclight · 06-15-12, 10:19 AM

Easiest is with some forward speed, rolling landing. Lot more stable. Stable course, 40-60KMh (can do higher though, but even just 40 is plenty stable), descend to touch-down and slowly lower collective fully (don't dump it, the sudden change in torque will throw your direction off). Use wheelbrakes to slow. It helps a lot to reset trim on touch-down.

Another method is a controlled aproach to the point that both speed and altitude reach zero on your desired landing spot. Rather tricky to establish a descend that has both continously decreasing at the proper rate, but you don't have to deal with the fine control of hovering.

Trickiest is landing from a hover imho. Very easy to over-correct and start drifting or lose control entirely.

Practice on airfields; nice big runway. FARPs are pretty darn tricky.

Kapitän Schneider · 06-15-12, 10:41 AM

I've been trying to practice just flying around the airfield I took off from, but when lowering collective I drop out of the sky like a stone.
Usually what happens is I lower collective, the nose starts pointing down and then i've hit the ground to hard. Tried pulling back on the stick but that doesn't work I just destabalize.
I tried a forward landing at 50KMh but still came down to heavy. I thought it might be a problem with the trim but no matter what I set it to, I still end up a burning hulk.

Dowly · 06-15-12, 10:45 AM

Sure you aren't lowering altitude too rapidly? Think the manual says that you
shouldn't lower alt faster than 5m/s, but when close to ground I tend to stick
at max. 3m/s.

If you lower alt too fast, you'll end up in vortex ring. Can't miss it, nose goes down
and things say BEEP BEEP BEEP!!!

Arclight · 06-15-12, 11:01 AM

Also, in case you missed it: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170158

Particularly #18, maybe #24.

Kapitän Schneider · 06-30-12, 02:13 PM

Ok I think i've got landing down to a fine art of, landing perfectly one mission, smoking hole in various parts of the airbase and landscape another mission.

I was wondering, do you guys use the + & - on the num pad to raise and lower collective or do you operate it on your joysticks?

Arclight · 06-30-12, 02:41 PM

Joystick. Don't even touch the keyboard unless I need to navigate the comms menu.

Kapitän Schneider · 06-30-12, 02:51 PM

What joystick do you use Arc?

06-16-11, 08:34 PM	#227
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Not sure I understand what you mean. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

06-16-11, 09:55 PM	#228
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	I don't want this to stray too far offtopic, but, I'm looking into buying Black Shark. I know my way areound flight sims bu helis aren't my big thing. Realism is however. its still 40 bucks, but, while I'm already pretty much sold, is the online multiplayer stable? good? how about the rest of the game...is there a campaign mode with 5+ missions....is there a decent stable of user created missions? i see this flight night stuff going on. any fun? Sledgehammer427. popping up with all the big questions __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

06-16-11, 10:29 PM	#229
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Can't recall the thing ever crashing, except 1 or 2 of the beta releases of A-10C. Is it any good? Well I'd say it is. Same ol' thing with more people (ideally). Campaigns are decent, definetly more than 5 missions. Some are made with branching results for succes and failure, but it's not exactly dynamic. Say you fail one mission and then have a succes on the one you get after that, you'll flow back to the one you failed. There is definitely some user created stuff out there. Flight Night is quiet. Just Dowly and me for the Ka-50 and Berbunch and me for the A-10C. I'd fly it alone if no one showed up at all, so not a problem, but we could use some more pilots. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

06-17-11, 06:58 AM	#230
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Arc, still up at 5.30am! Sledge - I only recently got BS, and it is good but it is a very steep learning curve coming from other sims. Occasionally I'll manage to drop into Arc's server on a Wednesday and just practice, practice, crash, practice, whilst the others just get on with the mission in hand - I try to stay out of their way. (I may have overemphasised the practice - more crash, crash, practice, crash - but still enjoyable). The only downside is the start-up procedure is slow (realistic!), no just hopping in and setting off like in most sims. Only a real pain if you crash as often as I do. I think A-10C is better, maybe just because it's newer, maybe because it's not a helicopter and thus easier to fly. I don't understand why more people haven't joined in the Thursday Flight Nights. I've just checked currency conversions, and for $40 it's about what I paid, but cheaper than I could get it for now. __________________

06-23-11, 02:14 AM	#231
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	well, I played the demo and Black shark and A-10 did this for me... I'm building a new rig. my pc meets reqs and can barely handle the game. __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

06-15-11, 04:54 PM	#226
longam Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,014 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	If you can still rotate the fuselage after breaking off the tail then there is a major problem with the flight sim. The wash from the rotors overs the tail fin should provide enough force to do this.

06-23-11, 09:58 AM	#232
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Here are some handy places for advice/guides - http://en.wiki.eagle.ru/wiki/Resources_for_New_Pilots A brilliant write-up on why certain things in a Ka-50 are different, and what can be done to help combat these (stop me crashing so often?) - http://simhq.com/_air13/air_427a.html Edit - @Arclight, I've only just read it so my 53 crashes last night can be forgivable? __________________ Last edited by Herr-Berbunch; 06-23-11 at 10:15 AM.

06-15-12, 10:10 AM	#233
Kapitän Schneider Engineer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: England Posts: 215 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Anyone know any tips or tutorials on how to do a proper landing? I can do a Lolwaffles landing just not a text book landing. __________________ The victorious strategist only seeks battle, after the victory has been won. Also known as Brandenburger and Zirran elsewhere.

06-15-12, 10:19 AM	#234
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Easiest is with some forward speed, rolling landing. Lot more stable. Stable course, 40-60KMh (can do higher though, but even just 40 is plenty stable), descend to touch-down and slowly lower collective fully (don't dump it, the sudden change in torque will throw your direction off). Use wheelbrakes to slow. It helps a lot to reset trim on touch-down. Another method is a controlled aproach to the point that both speed and altitude reach zero on your desired landing spot. Rather tricky to establish a descend that has both continously decreasing at the proper rate, but you don't have to deal with the fine control of hovering. Trickiest is landing from a hover imho. Very easy to over-correct and start drifting or lose control entirely. Practice on airfields; nice big runway. FARPs are pretty darn tricky. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

06-15-12, 10:41 AM	#235
Kapitän Schneider Engineer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: England Posts: 215 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	I've been trying to practice just flying around the airfield I took off from, but when lowering collective I drop out of the sky like a stone. Usually what happens is I lower collective, the nose starts pointing down and then i've hit the ground to hard. Tried pulling back on the stick but that doesn't work I just destabalize. I tried a forward landing at 50KMh but still came down to heavy. I thought it might be a problem with the trim but no matter what I set it to, I still end up a burning hulk. __________________ The victorious strategist only seeks battle, after the victory has been won. Also known as Brandenburger and Zirran elsewhere.

06-15-12, 10:45 AM	#236
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,055 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Sure you aren't lowering altitude too rapidly? Think the manual says that you shouldn't lower alt faster than 5m/s, but when close to ground I tend to stick at max. 3m/s. If you lower alt too fast, you'll end up in vortex ring. Can't miss it, nose goes down and things say BEEP BEEP BEEP!!!

06-15-12, 11:01 AM	#237
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Also, in case you missed it: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170158 Particularly #18, maybe #24. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

06-30-12, 02:13 PM	#238
Kapitän Schneider Engineer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: England Posts: 215 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Ok I think i've got landing down to a fine art of, landing perfectly one mission, smoking hole in various parts of the airbase and landscape another mission. I was wondering, do you guys use the + & - on the num pad to raise and lower collective or do you operate it on your joysticks? __________________ The victorious strategist only seeks battle, after the victory has been won. Also known as Brandenburger and Zirran elsewhere.

06-30-12, 02:41 PM	#239
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Joystick. Don't even touch the keyboard unless I need to navigate the comms menu. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

06-30-12, 02:51 PM	#240
Kapitän Schneider Engineer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: England Posts: 215 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	What joystick do you use Arc? __________________ The victorious strategist only seeks battle, after the victory has been won. Also known as Brandenburger and Zirran elsewhere.