Who will be the next President of the United States?

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah. Hillary's image has blood in the water, the Washington Post sure didn't do her any favors with this piece. Fired up and ready to bore? Wow

[3Jane]

Originally Posted by Peto

It's rare to see a bass player step up to center stage !

Only because Lemmy never went into politics :p

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, moving back to the topic, tomorrow is the New Hampshire primary, yes? Pundits have Obama set to win handily, it will be interesting to see how Clinton manages to keep a positive front. I think she's starting to crack already, except I canot tell if the hitch in her voice is genuine or if it is something she learned from Bill.... :hmm:

I thought Bill knew a cure for throatiness

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

I never ignore what Skybird says,

You do it extremely often: not a whole post, but parts of a,post that give context and meaning to the thing you refer to. In fact I am totally fed off by exactly this constant habit of yours, and some others. It is the one thing about this place that I am annoyed by more than by anything else. Can't say I know this kind of behavior and talking from interacting with people in my real life.

I only object to his constant know-it-all attitude.

Man, just a short while ago you played ridicule on the many different job that I actually have done in my life! I know it all? No. Thats why my posts sometimes are so long - I put my opinion and my conclusions into contexts and explain them, to make it clear why I think like I do. Exactly these contexts often get ignored, for example by you, by that giving an impression of me knowing it all, and then complaing that -->

The man hasn't ever admitted that he was wrong about anything since i've known him.

then you do not know me very well, because I repeatedly have admitted that, although it does not happen often, and I do not do it to just do you a favour, or without good reasons and needs that I see to change my opinion. I certainly try to form opinions and views that exactly relieve me of the need to constantly correct them, and i do that by always trying to look beyond the obvious, or the local scale. If that leads to me shaking what you consider to be solid truths, well, so be it. Nevertheless, ignoring several single events/examples where I did admit an assessement of mine was wrong and said that in public, I even changed several basic opinions/views of mine, and made a constant shift towards what some would consider to be "right-winged", others would label "conservative" (of which in my real life I get accused more and more often, btw) in recent years. You just did not note it, or you ignore it, for that shift of mine does not automatically translates into accepting the american example to that degree like you would like to see.

While we all may have our own private distortions to varying degrees I would never claim to know what a foreign people are thinking about their own country and especially pronounce that opinion as unassailable fact.

It is valid to remind you of your own people if referring to your very own public debates and media outlets and polls, which I usually say when doing so. It's just that many concervatives behave as if there is no other american opinion than their own, even if numercailly it can be shown they are just a minority currently, and by that they give themselves as the prototypic scheme by which American opinion and view is to be defined. Of course they become annoyed when one does not buy it. But that is one of the advantage of global media culture - you cannot downplay other information that easily anymore and present yourself as the only valid source of truth anymore.

The disadvantage is that people of public life and poltiicians more and more behave not for the sake of a cause, but try to behave that way that presents themselves in the best way possible to the global eye-community. that's why I like the idea of no political speeches and debates broadcasted by TV, no TV cameras in parliamanet, and any coverage only via radio, or better: in writing, covering no excerpts but full length of any speeches. TV has given us more coverage of things - but at the cost of quality and analytical insight having become thinner than a piece of paper, and totally superficial - andn this worthless information is presented in a drmaatic way, with a Klaus zimmer soundtrack, and then is repeated again and again and again until it has finally fall down in poeple'S mind like a radioactive mushroom collapsing. Once one is used to that superficial style, everybody trying to cover the depth below becomes boring, too complex, difficult.

[dean_acheson]

Danielle Arlow of Minnesota weeps as Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks at a rally, Monday, Jan. 7, 2008, in Concord, N.H. (AP Photo/M. Spencer Green)



Hillary says "It will take me to get CHANGE, after you get shot." Ok, maybe that is not EXACTLY what she said......

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...7/civilrights/

Gosh, I'll be happy when this election is over, and I don't have to hear the word change for abit.

I really hope that my party pulls its collective head out of its arse and has Fred as our nominee. He's the only one that can win the general election, except for McCain...

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Peto

Genuine or not--the hitch in her voice will work against her. Most women are looking for her to be strong and not use emotional "tactics" to win support. And the question I ask myself, "What will she be like when the pressure is really on?" I'm not sure I want someone making emotional decisions in the White House...

My thoughts exactly Peto. Will she break down and cry at the next Summit Conference because it did not go her way? This clip will hurt her for sure.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by dean_acheson

I really hope that my party pulls its collective head out of its arse and has Fred as our nominee. He's the only one that can win the general election, except for McCain...

Fred is a flare-up that never caught nor will it. I think he expected to walk in and everyone flock to him as Gods gift to conservitism. In a little while he will be nothing but a trivia piece in the polls every five or six days or so as a time filler.

[dean_acheson]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Fred is a flare-up that never caught nor will it. I think he expected to walk in and everyone flock to him as Gods gift to conservitism. In a little while he will be nothing but a trivia piece in the polls every five or six days or so as a time filler.

Most likely, the last sentence at least. I did flock to him, but I'm kinda a vote for a prosecutor type of guy. At least one that doesn't wear dresses.

If he pulls out of South Carolina with a first or a second, he won't have a bad track record. So far we've had a primary and a caucus and he has a 2 (montana) and a 3 (Iowa). Those are not bad numbers.

Will get crunched tonight though.

[Tchocky]

Thompson seemed vague and dangerously stupid in the debates the other night. I wonder if he'll get better.

[dean_acheson]

maybe we were watching different debates.

I've yet to hear him say something stupid, unlike Bill Richardson who says he will negotiate with the soviet union.

[sonar732]

I see that Hilary clip doing the same thing to her that the Dean screaming clip did to him.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Thompson seemed vague and dangerously stupid in the debates the other night. I wonder if he'll get better.

What specifically?

[dean_acheson]

I thought that FDT was the LEAST vague in the debate on Sunday night. He laid out a plan for Social Security reform, took the moderator to task for that old lie about "cutting" benefits, when in fact there is a change in the % INCREASE in benefits.

Also, FDT schooled Huckabee on the status of the folks at Guantanamo. For God's sake Huck, they probably didn't teach Criminal Proceedure at your Seminary, but I'm pretty sure that they did at Vandy law school, where Fred picked up his JD.

I can't think of anything stupid from Saturday, but I didn't see the first fifteen minutes.

[geetrue]

I just hope they vote for the best canidate that can make a quick decision about,
"is it a flock of geese or is it the Russians" over the
Gulf of Alaska, on weather they should launch now before it's too late ...

Fill in the blank _________________________________________ :hmm:

[Onkel Neal]

Woot! At this time, Hillary is leading Obama 40% to 36% in NH, we still have a ballgame.