The dark age is coming back

[sonar732]

I have attended multiple denominations since I was a kid. Grew up in the Lutheran Missouri Synod, attended a Church of the Nazareene for about six months, then Assemblies of God. I've recently moved over to the Baptist.

The theocratic State. This is happening in America right now!

I think this was the original post. Take my word for it, compared to what was happening in the early 1980's in the US and what any of the youngsters think they are seeing now is nothing. The United States was founded and continues to be a country which alows all views to be heard and allows all faiths (science included) to practice regardless of how popular or unpopular the may be.

Let this go.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I even question some of the Catholic ways of life, so I can see why. An example is worshipping the virgin Mary. I don't quite get this idea when the bible specifically forbids it.

-S

That's because your not Catholic by birth.

[Wim Libaers]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

In fact, try appreciating what's physically, psycologically and materially needed just to do that. In fact, just to pick up the brush. In fact, just for the artist to think about picking up the brush.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck........................

Or, as the saying goes, you can't see the forest for the trees?

Oh yes, try to look at it in a diferent way. If the only thing that makes noise that you've ever seen is a duck, then, well, if something makes noise it must be a duck.

A car? A duck. An aircraft? A duck. A piano? That's a duck too.

So, if all complex things you see were the product of intelligent design (not referring to the creationism version specifically, also to human acts), or you were always told that they were, it's not surprising that you can't think of other ways to get there.

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see every problem as a nail."

The billions of varying components that make up the universe, down to the design of the atom and even it's sub-atomic parts? And then we're to look at these billions of varying components, all of them super complex and consistantly abiding by predictable laws, and imagine that they all came about from a series of billions of booboos and oopsies, beginning from some magical particle that appeared out of nowhere at the beginning of time, which itself begs for an explanation?!

I think the Hopi Indian myths posted here yesterday are more plausable.

The idea of relatively simple molecules self-organizing into larger ordered systems is not so strange to me, because I often work with such systems and it's a pretty big research topic worldwide. Of course, none of my samples have started walking around and laying eggs, but I don't run my experiments for a billion years

Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

Gizzmoe, you were getting into a pointless (IMHO) argument with the other team.

They are not going to change their minds, and you either.

I am posting "ideas", some people can take them as valid and others not.

The core here is to show them and disseminate them.

I've already learned that Christians have circular faces while atheists' are polygonal. Just hope someone doesn't start posting Chick tracts

Edit: no, that was a mistake, front views are circular for the atheist girl too, but that appears to be a less common position for her.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Fish

That's because your not Catholic by birth.

Yeah yeah.

And to counteract your claim - maybe I am wrong here, but don't they read the same book as the rest of Christianity? I think they did last time I checked!

-S

[Yahoshua]

About the duck.....

One thing my insturctors have tole me is to never take anything for granted.

"Just because it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and sits in the water like a duck, it could be a Goose in disguise."


(The above was a feeble attempt at levity).

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yeah yeah.

And to counteract your claim - maybe I am wrong here, but don't they read the same book as the rest of Christianity? I think they did last time I checked!

-S

You could be right, last time I checked............ must be over 40 year now? :hmm:

[VON_CAPO]

Religion, Sexual Repression, Guilt and Hypocrisy
By Alexander Shaumyan

From: ---> http://www.authorsden.com/visit/view...22136&id=24506

""" I was reading different comments on Ronald Hull's poem Hypocrisy, related to the latest sex scandal involving Dan Foley.
Of course, the Christian answer is that man is weak and will always fail. If we can't trust ourselves as humanity, whom can we trust?
The Christian answer is that only God can be trusted.
The Christian solution to the problem is to print more Bibles and build more churches and to instill more guilt and fear into young children.
The problem that I have with Christianity is that it views man as fundamentally sinful and in need of supernatural guidance.
The basic teachings of Christianity repress natural human impulses.
We've all been angry, jealous or lustful at one time or another.
What matters is how we handled these impulses.
It's the repression of these impulses that creates a religious hypocrite.
A married man who denies having lustful fantasies about attractive women is forced to become a hypocrite.
The moral crusaders become what they fight by repressing their own sexual impulses.
Thus we see many Catholic priests, who by denying their natural sexual impulses, become child molesters. """

""" Religions create extremism that leads to ignorance and intolerance.
The dogmas of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have held us back for centuries from believing in ourselves and what we are truly capable of.
If we become free from religion, then we become responsible for ourselves and for the society that we create in our lifetime. """

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From: ---> http://www.smartsociety.org/guiltandsex.html

""" In some macabre way, guilt is something that many people seem to need.
It’s as though to be completely guilt free is somehow not nice!
Religious leaders exploit this weakness to its maximum.
Inducing guilt in their followers keeps them servile and controllable.
Some religions are worse than others, but they all do it to some degree.
Roman Catholics declare that everyone is born in sin – that puts you in your place from day one!
Then they create a lot of rules that they know will be broken.
That creates the guilt.
But then, through the confessional, the “sinners” can be forgiven so they can start all over again! """

""" All religions use sex to induce guilt."""

[sonar732]

So, you are saying an athesis lives w/o guilt. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Guilt isn't an emotion solely for religious people.

"internal corrective mechanism that signals a masculine to feel more towards his domain. analogs: inferiority, shame"

"remorse caused by feeling responsible for some offence"

You are becoming a hipocrite yourself if you fail to understand guilt is a human emotion that keeps even the athesis from doing something wrong.

[VON_CAPO]

Originally Posted by sonar732

So, you are saying an athesis lives w/o guilt. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Not me, but you.
Where do you read such thing?

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

Not me, but you.
Where do you read such thing?

You couldn't be farther from the truth. I live with guilt for things I do quite a bit, whether it be on how I handle discipline with my children or argueing with my wife over something stupid. By saying that I live w/o guilt disproves your own posting earlier as guilt "...keeps them servile and controllable."

EDIT: Also... "It's the repression of these impulses that creates a religious hypocrite." I couldn't agree with you more on this note. There are good and bad apples with anything today. You have made quite a few links to hypocrites like Jimmy Swagger, Jim Baker, etc. Just yesterday, I saw JS on the tv doing evangelism and I also was laughing at seeing him back on tv. Or who can forget the comments made by Mr. 700 club himself regarding multiple issues of Hurricane Katrina's aftermath, Hugo Chavez, etc. A few friends of mine even tried to bad mouth New Orleans while forgetting that their family members go to a gamblin' boat. So, to place one set of religious people with another is not taking the majority into consideration.

[VON_CAPO]

Originally Posted by sonar732

You couldn't be farther from the truth. I live with guilt for things I do quite a bit, whether it be on how I handle discipline with my children or argueing with my wife over something stupid. By saying that I live w/o guilt disproves your own posting earlier as guilt "...keeps them servile and controllable."

Let's put the things at the right place.

1- First, you interpreted the articule posted by me as: "religious people feel guilt, but not atheists"
This is incorrect, human psyche is common to religious and atheists, so both can feel guilt. (it depends of the particular neurosis of each person).

2- I think you interpreted the sentence "Not me, but you" as I was implying (in a tacit way) the idea of atheists people does not feel guilt; and you remarked it literally.
Again, this is incorrect, probably the sentence "Not me, but you" can be interpretated in that way; but the meaning that I wanted to express was:
"I did not say that, you are mistakenly saying it".
Well, it is just a semantic misunderstood, I think.

3- The sentence quoted by you "...keeps them servile and controllable." refers to a church context; I mean, relation among the pastor or minister with the followers.
And it has nothing to do with your family life.

[VON_CAPO]

[SUBMAN1]

Is there anyone even reading these rediculous cartoons? I'm just kind of curious. I didn't bother to read half way through the first one since its purely stereotypical hypocritcal hate garbage. To me that shows how Atheist want to push their values on society more than even the most religious radicals want to push their values on them! Islamic radicals be forwarned! You don't have anything on them since they outclass you any day of the week for pushing agendas!

Its interesting to note this little tidbit now isn't it?

-S

[VON_CAPO]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Is there anyone even reading these rediculous cartoons? I'm just kind of curious. I didn't bother to read half way through the first one since its purely stereotypical hypocritcal hate garbage.

Sure it is stereotypical, so stereotypical as reality.
These dialogues happen every day in uncountable homes.