US Politics Thread 2021-24

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Arlo

You're projecting the traits of the 'Proud/Boogaloo Boys onto them. They've been caught, more than once, attempting to infiltrate Antifa, dressed in black and destroying property, in order to discredit them

During the summer of 2020 there were 100 straight days of rioting and violence in the streets of Portland Oregon. That violence came to a head on Aug. 29 when an Antifa activist, Michael Reinoehl murdered Aaron Danielson, a Trump supporter.

When and if it really happens, I would.

Have at it.

[mapuc]

Can someone enlighten me.

Those who caused destruction during these mass demonstration in USA after what happened in Minneapolis - who were they ?

I have until now been told it was mostly Antifa-But this seems not to be the case.

Markus

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by u crank

During the summer of 2020 there were 100 straight days of rioting and violence in the streets of Portland Oregon. That violence came to a head on Aug. 29 when an Antifa activist, Michael Reinoehl murdered Aaron Danielson, a Trump supporter.



Have at it.

I condemn Michael Reinoehl. Your turn.

"The (Proud Boys group) glorifies political violence against the left-wing, with McInnes once declaring: “I want violence, I want punching in the face. I’m disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough.”

https://www.dazeddigital.com/politic...d-trump-debate

"An examination of hours of interviews and statements from Biggs, Nordean and other Proud Boys leaders shows that in addition to the group's often hateful and discriminatory ideology, violence has always been at the core of the group's identity. But it remains to be seen how years' worth of extremist rhetoric, and at times involvement with real violence, will play into the federal case against the group."

"Picciolini, who now runs the organization Free Radicals, told NPR that he views the Proud Boys as the "street thugs" of the white power movement.

"They're the ones who attend the rallies and protests to try and intimidate other people — counterprotesters," said Picciolini.

When Ethan Nordean sent that counterprotester to the hospital with a "significant concussion" in 2018, according to a police report first reported by The New York Times, it became a powerful symbol to try to intimidate the group's opponents and recruit new members.

McInnes called it "the greatest punch in the history of Trump's presidency" and called it "art" as he cackled while watching the video on repeat. Nordean also appeared on the far-right, conspiracy-mongering show Infowars, where host Alex Jones called him a "folk hero."

"Later that year, in New York City, multiple members of the Proud Boys faced criminal charges for attacking counterprotesters after an event McInnes hosted. The event involved McInnes reenacting the 1960 assassination of a Japanese socialist leader by a far-right ultra-nationalist. McInnes played the assassin, according to a journalist who witnessed the event.

Unlike the aftermath of other incidents, members of the Proud Boys received prison time. "I know enough about history to know what happened in Europe in the '30s when political street brawls were allowed to go ahead without any type of check from the criminal justice system," said New York Judge Mark Dwyer as he sentenced two members to four years in prison.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/09/98510...into-spotlight

"Air Force Staff Sgt. Steven Carrillo and Richard Justus allegedly pulled up in a white van alongside a guard shack at the federal courthouse in Oakland, California, late last month and shot and killed a Federal Protective Service Contract Officer Patrick Underwood, critically injuring his partner. They allegedly fled the scene, which was near where protests were taking place in the wake of George Floyd’s death, setting off an eight-day manhunt.

"We believe Carrillo and Justice chose this date because the planned protest in Oakland provided an opportunity for them to target multiple law enforcement personnel and avoid apprehension to the large crowds attending the demonstrations, as described in detail in the complaint," John Bennett, FBI special agent in charge of the San Francisco field office said at a press conference after an arrest was made.

Carrillo, according to federal prosecutors, was linked to a little known but emerging movement called "boogaloo." They also go by "boogaloo bois" or "boogaloo boys."

Justus turned himself in and was charged with attempted murder. Carrillo was arrested after a witness eventually reported seeing the van and "observed what appeared to be ammunition, firearms and bomb making equipment" inside, prosecutors allege. Santa Cruz Sheriff’s Office deputies showed up to Carrillo’s doorstep, and as they approached his home, he opened fire, killing Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller.

The government alleges that Carrillo fled on foot, and then began carjacking innocent people using what is known as a ghost gun --- a firearm which is privately made and untraceable. Court documents say that when authorities searched his van they found a bulletproof vest with a patch on it that tied Carrillo to boogaloo."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/boog...ry?id=71295536

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escala...-united-states

[Rockstar]

Btw if you want a list of left wing extremists AND right wing extremists just visit the FBI website. So, yes we have for many many years had both extremist groups operating in this country.

[Arlo]

So Trump's 'woke' now. Interesting.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Btw if you want a list of left wing extremists AND right wing extremists just visit the FBI website. So, yes we have for many many years had both extremist groups operating in this country.

Many years ...

The current trend shows right wing terrorist groups on the upswing with left wing practically non-existent.

"Domestic Terrorism

Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action.

On the national level, formal right-wing hate groups, such as the National Alliance, the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) and the Aryan Nations, represent a continuing terrorist threat. Although efforts have been made by some extremist groups to reduce openly racist rhetoric in order to appeal to a broader segment of the population and to focus increased attention on antigovernment sentiment, racism-based hatred remains an integral component of these groups’ core orientations.

Right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat. Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organized right-wing extremist groups.

The second category of domestic terrorists, left-wing groups, generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine and view themselves as protectors of the people against the “dehumanizing effects” of capitalism and imperialism. They aim to bring about change in the United States and believe that this change can be realized through revolution rather than through the established political process. From the 1960s to the 1980s, leftist-oriented extremist groups posed the most serious domestic terrorist threat to the United States. In the 1980s, however, the fortunes of the leftist movement changed dramatically as law enforcement dismantled the infrastructure of many of these groups, and the fall of communism in Eastern Europe deprived the movement of its ideological foundation and patronage."

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/ne...-united-states (<FBI website)

Confronting White Supremacy

https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/c...hite-supremacy (<FBI website)

"FBI Director Christopher Wray bluntly labeled the January riot at the U.S. Capitol as “domestic terrorism” Tuesday and warned of a rapidly growing threat of homegrown violent extremism that law enforcement is scrambling to confront through thousands of investigations."

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-chris...5c4923907eeb67

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Arlo

I condemn Michael Reinoehl. Your turn.

I guess you missed it.

Originally Posted by u crank

I think that any kind of political violence is wrong and a threat to the civilized democratic order. I don't care what the cause is. I condemn all of it, right, left and center.

[Rockstar]

We need to confront white supremacy, it’s everywhere claim Democrats who now say some blacks are really white supremacists. Typical Democrat California clown show.

A professor at California State University Los Angeles (CSU LA) said Larry Elder is "a Black face on white supremacy" during a Labor Day campaign event for California Governor Gavin Newsom.

https://www.newsweek.com/professor-c...-event-1627196

[mapuc]

In my little world there's no difference when it comes to far right and far left.

They are both violent in nature. I don't weight them to see who's most violent among these two groups.

Markus

[Rockstar]

The "Left vs. Right" battle has very little bearing anymore in real life. What we're facing now isn't a sideways conflict but a vertical one: the 99% vs. the 1% (and its minions). The nationalists vs. the globalists. Democratic rule vs. corporate/plutocratic rule. Unfortunately, the 1% globalist plutocrats are winning handily, since they have monopoly control of the media and have bought out virtually all the politicians. It's not looking too good for the rest of us.

CJ Hopkins, who normally writes satire, has analyzed the current state of affairs in a colorful 3-part series:

https://consentfactory.org/2020/10/1...covidian-cult/

https://consentfactory.org/2021/04/2...-cult-part-ii/

https://consentfactory.org/2021/09/0...cult-part-iii/

Their initiation into the Covidian Cult began in January, when the medical authorities and corporate media turned on The Fear with projections of hundreds of millions of deaths and fake photos of people dropping dead in the streets. The psychological conditioning has continued for months. The global masses have been subjected to a constant stream of propaganda, manufactured hysteria, wild speculation, conflicting directives, exaggerations, lies, and tawdry theatrical effects. Lockdowns. Emergency field hospitals and morgues. The singing-dancing NHS staff. Death trucks. Overflowing ICUs. Dead Covid babies. Manipulated statistics. Goon squads. Masks. And all the rest of it.

Eight months later, here we are. The Head of the Health Emergencies Program at the WHO has basically confirmed an IFR of 0.14%, approximately the same as the seasonal flu. And here are the latest survival rate estimates from the Center for Disease Control:

Age 0-19 … 99.997%
Age 20-49 … 99.98%
Age 50-69 … 99.5%
Age 70+ … 94.6%

The “science” argument is officially over. An increasing number of doctors and medical experts are breaking ranks and explaining how the current mass hysteria over “cases” (which now includes perfectly healthy people) is essentially meaningless propaganda, for example, in this segment on ARD, one of the big mainstream German TV channels.

And the mandate nazis are still gathering steam. ‘Go spit in a mirror and report back, or wear a mask to show you care” is all that’s left for the gulliable trying to shield themselves from the idea they were mindless members of a cult.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Btw if you want a list of left wing extremists AND right wing extremists just visit the FBI website. So, yes we have for many many years had both extremist groups operating in this country.

Trump says lots of things.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

"Never was so much nonsense perpetrated to so many by so few."
BoB (Battle of Bullsh!t)

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by u crank

I guess you missed it.

Ah. But no specific condemnation for the examples I provided in spite of expecting such from me. That's ok.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

We need to confront white supremacy, it’s everywhere claim Democrats who now say some blacks are really white supremacists. Typical Democrat California clown show.

A professor at California State University Los Angeles (CSU LA) said Larry Elder is "a Black face on white supremacy" during a Labor Day campaign event for California Governor Gavin Newsom.

https://www.newsweek.com/professor-c...-event-1627196

Is this a tap dance to claim white supremacy either doesn't exist or isn't a threat? Cute.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Ah. But no specific condemnation for the examples I provided in spite of expecting such from me.

Come on. Now you are being petty. The reason I pointed out the Michael Reinoehl / Aaron Danielson case is because of your refusal to condemn Antifa violence. Just to reiterate so there is no confusion. I whole heartedly condemn any and all political violence. There is no specific about it. If you can think of any group of thugs that you might think I would not condemn let's hear it. We will clear that up immediately.