[REL] RFB/Real Fleet Boat for 1.5 - Page 152

Laffertytig · 12-05-08, 03:38 PM

ive got a question about endurance. the optimal speed to travel at is ahead standard (10 knots) right? how come when i travel at a slower speed my endurance actually decreases by almost 1000 miles?

DeepIron · 12-05-08, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Laffertytig

ive got a question about endurance. the optimal speed to travel at is ahead standard (10 knots) right? how come when i travel at a slower speed my endurance actually decreases by almost 1000 miles?

Optimal speed is dependent on sea conditions. If you're cruising ahead at Standard, and bucking a head sea, your forward speed would be around 6-7 kts typically but your still burning fuel at the Standard setting. Better to drop back to 2/3 ahead or possibly less...

As for your second question... hmmm, I'll have to do some testing as I've never seen that happen unless the sea was very rough or I had a fuel leak from damage.

AVGWarhawk · 12-05-08, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Laffertytig

ive got a question about endurance. the optimal speed to travel at is ahead standard (10 knots) right? how come when i travel at a slower speed my endurance actually decreases by almost 1000 miles?

What I do is transit at 10 kts. When I hit my patrol area I cruise at 4 knots. Saves fuel and cruising fast can get you spotted.

sckallst · 12-05-08, 05:47 PM

Re: endurance

Make sure that when you push the "remaining range" button to check your endurance, regardless of speed, you are not charging batteries, or you will get the "wrong" answer. As the fuel depeletion rate at that instant is much greater than the plain old 'crusing around" rate, you will get a greatly reduced endurance estimate. On the other hand, even if it seems like you have a lot fuel, make sure when you are heading into heavily patrolled waters that you take into account the effect of potentially recharging batteries freqnetly if you will be spending most of the daylight hours submerged.

Not sure that this is the problem noted above, but probably worth stating nonethless.

Orion2012 · 12-05-08, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sckallst

Re: endurance

Make sure that when you push the "remaining range" button to check your endurance, regardless of speed, you are not charging batteries, or you will get the "wrong" answer. As the fuel depeletion rate at that instant is much greater than the plain old 'crusing around" rate, you will get a greatly reduced endurance estimate. On the other hand, even if it seems like you have a lot fuel, make sure when you are heading into heavily patrolled waters that you take into account the effect of potentially recharging batteries freqnetly if you will be spending most of the daylight hours submerged.

Not sure that this is the problem noted above, but probably worth stating nonethless.

You make a good point about charging and checking your remaining fuel, its good to check with both motors driving the prop.

:FI:Rabitski · 12-06-08, 08:12 AM

Any word on a fix for the perscope lock issue, being addressed in a upcomming patch?

DeepIron · 12-06-08, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by :FI:Rabitski

Any word on a fix for the perscope lock issue, being addressed in a upcomming patch?

See http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=2245

It will probably be in the next release and not a patch however and the date is not yet set...

Rockin Robbins · 12-06-08, 11:31 AM

Wow! Look at the number of hits compared to the number of hits on the abandoned original Trigger Maru thread, which just rose from the grave. Here's the score card:

Code:

Real Fleet Boat            2,274

Trigger Maru               1,580
Trigger Maru Overhauled      769
Total Trigger Maru         2,349

And with RFB so inactive for so long, it's amazing that less than a hundred posts now separates the two mods. I have a feeling that TMO will be an orphan not much longer. I hope the unfortunate moniker of "Overhauled" can be amputated and it will resume its rightful place as an actively maintained mod.

But congratulations RFB Crew! There's a new kid in town and you are it!

Bosje · 12-06-08, 12:32 PM

i just endured the most savage depthcharge attack i ever encountered in SH4 and I wanted to say the sub damage model made it a brilliant experience

forward flooding, nose pointing down, propelled myself to the bottom. reverse speed sorted it and pulled her backwards up to safe depths. during two hours of realtime damage control and destroyer evasion the flooding was controlled and pumped out. I might even have survived if I hadn't messed it up with time compression

either way, I noticed the boat suffering very satisfactory damage and flooding effects from the depthcharge onslaught. excellent experience

DeepIron · 12-06-08, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosje

i just endured the most savage depthcharge attack i ever encountered in SH4 and I wanted to say the sub damage model made it a brilliant experience

forward flooding, nose pointing down, propelled myself to the bottom. reverse speed sorted it and pulled her backwards up to safe depths. during two hours of realtime damage control and destroyer evasion the flooding was controlled and pumped out. I might even have survived if I hadn't messed it up with time compression

either way, I noticed the boat suffering very satisfactory damage and flooding effects from the depthcharge onslaught. excellent experience

Excellent! It's really encouraging to hear of these kinds of exploits in RFB. Thanks!

Piggy · 12-07-08, 05:56 PM

Hey there, I just moved over to SH4 from SH3 - GWX.

I decided to try out RFB, needless to say Im impressed... (but a little frustrated).

My problem was this... I came across a large cargo ship, she was doing 7 knots and I put two torps from my rear tube into her. One at the front cargo hold, the other at the engine room. She came to a dead stop but wouldnt sink, no problem.

It was too rough for the deck gun so I swung around and fired off a forward tube. The torp veered off ahead of the ship? Tried a second one and the same thing happened. (I had been locked on to the ship and then aimed for the rear cargo comp)

So I look at my TDC settings, its showing the ships speed at 7 knots still? I cant change the speed setting either. (maybe because Im not using manual targetting?) For that matter I cant manually change any of the torp settings except the speed and impact method...

So what's going on? Im very new to SH4 and am awkwardly trying to find my way around....

PS: the graphics are stunning! Wow

Orion2012 · 12-07-08, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Piggy

So I look at my TDC settings, its showing the ships speed at 7 knots still? I cant change the speed setting either. (maybe because Im not using manual targetting?) For that matter I cant manually change any of the torp settings except the speed and impact method...

There are some noted anomalies with the auto-targeting and RFB, for some reason whenever a ship is damaged the game does not update the TDC with the new speed. Hopefully this will be corrected very soon as their are fixes in testing.

Piggy · 12-07-08, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Orion2012

There are some noted anomalies with the auto-targeting and RFB, for some reason whenever a ship is damaged the game does not update the TDC with the new speed. Hopefully this will be corrected very soon as their are fixes in testing.

Ahh, so I either have to guess at where I should be aiming or learn how to do manual targetting?

Im assuming the only way to change the settings is with auto targetting off?

Further to that, coming from SH3 that had a weapons officer to do the hard stuff.. I dont see anything like that in SH4? Is there any way I can cheat in SH4 like you could in SH3 in this regard? I see buttons for sending AOB and Range to the TDC but nothing for speed? I guess speed is fairly easy to judge though...

I just havent got my head wrapped around the manual targetting...

I know I know....

sgtabell · 12-07-08, 07:04 PM

I noticed a troop ship last night. Put three torpedos in her, she circled a bit, and picked her up again 60 miles or so down the path with her escorts. She was listing greatly when I left, (looking through camera, saw the three big holes).

When I ran into her again, no damage or listing.

Is it possible I screwed something up with the patch when I did a file copy or is anyone else noticing this.

Thanks,

Sgtabell

tater · 12-07-08, 07:28 PM

I think this is an engine related issue. Ship groups are abstracted until the player is within ~20nm, at which point they are created by the engine. If a ship you have been watching leaves that radius, it is once again abstracted. To be honest, I'm not even sure if it tracks units removed from the group.

12-06-08, 11:31 AM	#2273
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Wow! Look at the number of hits compared to the number of hits on the abandoned original Trigger Maru thread, which just rose from the grave. Here's the score card: Code: Real Fleet Boat 2,274 Trigger Maru 1,580 Trigger Maru Overhauled 769 Total Trigger Maru 2,349 And with RFB so inactive for so long, it's amazing that less than a hundred posts now separates the two mods. I have a feeling that TMO will be an orphan not much longer. I hope the unfortunate moniker of "Overhauled" can be amputated and it will resume its rightful place as an actively maintained mod. But congratulations RFB Crew! There's a new kid in town and you are it! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 12-06-08 at 11:32 AM.

12-06-08, 12:32 PM	#2274
Bosje Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 732 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	i just endured the most savage depthcharge attack i ever encountered in SH4 and I wanted to say the sub damage model made it a brilliant experience forward flooding, nose pointing down, propelled myself to the bottom. reverse speed sorted it and pulled her backwards up to safe depths. during two hours of realtime damage control and destroyer evasion the flooding was controlled and pumped out. I might even have survived if I hadn't messed it up with time compression either way, I noticed the boat suffering very satisfactory damage and flooding effects from the depthcharge onslaught. excellent experience __________________ And when an 800-ton Uboat has you by the tits... you listen!

12-05-08, 03:38 PM	#2266
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	ive got a question about endurance. the optimal speed to travel at is ahead standard (10 knots) right? how come when i travel at a slower speed my endurance actually decreases by almost 1000 miles?

12-05-08, 05:47 PM	#2269
sckallst Bosun Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 64 Downloads: 116 Uploads: 0	Re: endurance Make sure that when you push the "remaining range" button to check your endurance, regardless of speed, you are not charging batteries, or you will get the "wrong" answer. As the fuel depeletion rate at that instant is much greater than the plain old 'crusing around" rate, you will get a greatly reduced endurance estimate. On the other hand, even if it seems like you have a lot fuel, make sure when you are heading into heavily patrolled waters that you take into account the effect of potentially recharging batteries freqnetly if you will be spending most of the daylight hours submerged. Not sure that this is the problem noted above, but probably worth stating nonethless.

12-06-08, 08:12 AM	#2271
:FI:Rabitski Mate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 51 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Any word on a fix for the perscope lock issue, being addressed in a upcomming patch?

12-07-08, 05:56 PM	#2276
Piggy Ensign Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 234 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	Hey there, I just moved over to SH4 from SH3 - GWX. I decided to try out RFB, needless to say Im impressed... (but a little frustrated). My problem was this... I came across a large cargo ship, she was doing 7 knots and I put two torps from my rear tube into her. One at the front cargo hold, the other at the engine room. She came to a dead stop but wouldnt sink, no problem. It was too rough for the deck gun so I swung around and fired off a forward tube. The torp veered off ahead of the ship? Tried a second one and the same thing happened. (I had been locked on to the ship and then aimed for the rear cargo comp) So I look at my TDC settings, its showing the ships speed at 7 knots still? I cant change the speed setting either. (maybe because Im not using manual targetting?) For that matter I cant manually change any of the torp settings except the speed and impact method... So what's going on? Im very new to SH4 and am awkwardly trying to find my way around.... PS: the graphics are stunning! Wow

12-07-08, 07:04 PM	#2279
sgtabell Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I noticed a troop ship last night. Put three torpedos in her, she circled a bit, and picked her up again 60 miles or so down the path with her escorts. She was listing greatly when I left, (looking through camera, saw the three big holes). When I ran into her again, no damage or listing. Is it possible I screwed something up with the patch when I did a file copy or is anyone else noticing this. Thanks, Sgtabell

12-07-08, 07:28 PM	#2280
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I think this is an engine related issue. Ship groups are abstracted until the player is within ~20nm, at which point they are created by the engine. If a ship you have been watching leaves that radius, it is once again abstracted. To be honest, I'm not even sure if it tracks units removed from the group.