GER politics thread

[mapuc]

I've been told The Quran consist of two parts. where the first book is filled with violent and war, while book 2 is the peaceful part of the Quran.

I do not have the knowledge on Islam like you have, I just know there are some Muslim who are more Western in their mentality than they are mentality in the Middle east-

I also know that those who become Muslim, is mostly those become radical/Fanatics among those who convert.

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I've been told The Quran consist of two parts. where the first book is filled with violent and war, while book 2 is the peaceful part of the Quran.

That's a very fitting description - of the Christian bible.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I've been told The Quran consist of two parts. where the first book is filled with violent and war, while book 2 is the peaceful part of the Quran.

No, that simply is completely wrong. The Suras in the Quran are sorted by length, with the exception of the first, and then from the second to the last the longest sura goes first, the shortest is at the end. This order does not represent the historical order in which they were written down. Its not chronological. A split of the book into two parts like the Bible does not exist, you can however illustrate the growing radicalization in Muhammad when you sort the Suras in chronological order in which they were originally written down. The Suras are quotations of what Muhammad should have said, himself he was illiterate and could neither read nor write.

In the first centuries, populist regional leaders ordered to change Suras and rewrite them, so to gain support for their rule from the Quran, there were several versions of it in circulation during the reign of the first caliphs, which all got hunted down and deleted again, so that today you again have just one Koran, and it is hard to judge whether this really is the very first in the many versions there have been (of course they claim it is, but proving that is almost impossible, and its heresy that endangers my life to say so). The caste of Koran-readers - theologists, if you want - made their money by reading and interpreting the Koran according to how it served their own agenda best, or that of their leaders whom they served and by which they got paid. So, corruption was in it to quite some degree. Over time, it got sorted out with fire and sword. Maybe not the corruption, but the the many verisons of the Quran

Today there again are "tweaked" versions of the Quran that get distributed almost exlcusively in the West, to unsupecting pedestrians in pedestrian zones. These versions have the radical, violent , intolerant passages deleted, so to mislead the infidels and tell them: "look, here is the book, read yourself and tell me where does it talk of chopping their heads off and suppressing infidels! Its not there, its all peaceful and tolerant." Its a propaganda trick. These "Korans" are not the hone, real version. I dont say they are very common, but we know that these have been used by various sects and missionaries to influence Western public opinion and fish for followers. Very underhanded, of course.

The Quran itself is a wild bag of kitschy friendly passages, and intolerant, warrior-style intolerant passages, and depending on what you want to prove with it you can usually find a line or two that will support what you claim. But the claimed tolerance of Islam always is a tolerance with undisputed dominance of Islam on mind, tolerance for the people of the book only (Jews and Christians) if they subjugate to Islamic rule and accept to be infeiror bewfore Islamic law and being people of second and third class only, all others the Quran demands to get killed and wiped off the Earth. More, the Quran demands to mistreat and discriminate infidels not converting, to make them feel bad for resisting and letting them feel the punishment of Allah to reject him. Sorry kids, thats the simple truth. Atheists, Buddhists, Shinto, Vikings, natural deism, you name it: they are all death candidates. If a Muslim by his heart rejects this and indeed talks of tolerance and peaceful living-together, this honors hom if he means it so, and it speaks for him as a human being, yes - but he says so not because the Quran teaches him this, but despite the Quran teaching quite the opposite. In other words: there is no such thing like a moderate, humanist, liberal Muslim, because such a Muslim is - an apostate. And I was with apostates years ago, and assisted them through their crises and conflicts with families, I know a bit on what torment these guys went through. Its tough to see the ground below your feet that you believed to carry you just disappearing . A convinced tolerant liberal Muslims simply does not want to admit that or indeed is not aware of it. Nobody would take a fascist or Nazi serious who claims he is tolerant and wants equality between all people. Either youo do not believe his claims, or you think he means it - but then he has not understood what fascism and Nazism is and thus labels himself as a tolerant, humanist fascist wrongly. He thus lacks the understanding of what fascism means. There is no such thing like a tolerant, liberal Nazi. There is no such thing like a moderate, tolerant Muslim. Be consistent. You cant have a left right, an upper down, or a warm cold. Its either the one, or the other. You are either for it, or against it.

Reforming Christianity was possible due to the existence of the very first reform there was, the change of the focus that was taught by Jesus, the division of the Bible into two gospels, and the shift from obeying a revenging tyrannical vulcan god to a broader understanding of the devine in ourselves deriving from introspection, a view that today is no predomnant again anymore, but found its climax in the thinking of the tradition of the so-called Christan mystics, Meister Eckhard and the likes (and the church again was no friend of these...). The Westernnr civilization nevertheless managed to escape from the political powerplay of the church, in Islamic countries however old patriarchalic and hierarchical structures of de facto tyranny prevailed until today, and always, like already practiced by Muhammad, the political and the religous power (the control over bodies and the control over minds) is united in one and the same fist. Islam does not separate politics and religion (and that has consequences for non-integration in the West). By tendency you see this also in the orthodox and namely the Russian orthodox church - or can you tell where the Basilika ends and the Kremlin begins? We had this unholy cooperation in all Europe, too, in the medieval, and later on, until recently.



Today, the church is trying to compensate for its loss of relevance by compliantly chumming up to the zeitgeist and all kinds of fads. In doing so, it is accelerating its loss of prestige and relevance. Its just a carricture of its former self, becomign every more hilarious now.

Like here, so there: if you want to reform Islam, you have only one way: getting rid of it. Either Islam (quranic orthodoxy), or apostacy. Either your own shackles and violence over others, or freedom.



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“The foolish reject what they see, not what they think; the wise reject what they think, not what they see. ... Just let your minds become void and environmental phenomena will void themselves; let principles cease to stir and events will cease stirring of themselves. ... Ordinary people look to their surroundings, while followers of the Way look to Mind, but the true Dharma is to forget them both.” - Huang Po

[mapuc]

Thank you for the lecture Marc I learned something by reading your in-deep explanation around Islam and their holy Quran.

Naser Khader a Muslim born in Syria came to Denmark in 2006 has since 2017/8 converted to Christianity he is in education to become a priest.

Yes he got a fatwa on his head. As many others who have left their Islamic belief.

Markus

[Skybird]

[Tagesspiegel] Chancellor Olaf Scholz in conversation: “I firmly expect that the SPD and I will also lead the next government”.


That would not be a desaster, but a cascading chain of desasters.


At the same time the CDu is doomed to govern far-leftist if they refuse to cooperate with the AfD.



Germany is heading into even more worrying destabilization and self-destruction. Its inevitable.

[Shadowblade]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Germany is heading into even more worrying destabilization and self-destruction. Its inevitable.

I agree

[mapuc]

The two latest post made me remember a signature which is used by an another member.

"When you're born, you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front-row seat."

Change the word America with Germany

Markus

[Dargo]

German counter-intelligence warns of a group of Russian hackers. Unit 29155, belonging to the Russian military intelligence GRU, is responsible for a series of cyberattacks targeting European and NATO countries.

[Skybird]

A German study on arms production in Germany makes two nice statements:

1. At the current rate of production, it would take about 100 years to make up for the already identified, i.e. known, deficits in ammunition reserves and equipment.

2. At its current arms production volume, Russian arms production would be able to make up these deficits in less than six months.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

A German study on arms production in Germany makes two nice statements:

1. At the current rate of production, it would take about 100 years to make up for the already identified, i.e. known, deficits in ammunition reserves and equipment.

2. At its current arms production volume, Russian arms production would be able to make up these deficits in less than six months.

This popped up in my head after having read your comment

- Long live the bureaucracy

Markus

[Skybird]

[Jimbuna]

Didn't recognise them all obviously but enough to laugh

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Didn't recognise them all obviously but enough to laugh

Each of them, known and unknown, worse than the others.

[Jimbuna]

Really?

[Shadowblade]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The two latest post made me remember a signature which is used by an another member.

"When you're born, you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front-row seat."

Change the word America with Germany

Markus

true, it is like watching some slasher movie, but it happens at your neighbors