ImprovedConvoys Beta and UnRealUBoat - Udated: 03-25 - Page 15

jasonb885 · 08-19-05, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

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Originally Posted by jasonb885

Bump for latest version of UnRealUboat

Thanks!

Just fixed the Selection.tga to be the original. Also included a modified Maps.cfg so the 3KBearing mod will work to its fullest if you choose to install it.

jasonb885 · 08-28-05, 03:22 PM

Bump for the im-bored-on-sunday release.

I included CCIP's zig zag convoys. He redid _all_ the convoy routes so they're unpredictable!

I also messed with the task forces. They should be in columns of three with fewer battleships, more anti-aircraft cruisers, and the same quantity of destroyers. SH3 doesn't seem to always (ever?) place the battleships / CVs intelligently in the middle of the three columns, so sometimes kills may be a bit easier. Still less silly than a single column of 3 battleships with only fleet destroyers.

I changed the convoy contact reports to 60% or less in response to reports that convoys are reported substantially too often. At least, I think that's why I did that. I don't really remember why now.

Anyway, download if you want.

CCIP · 08-28-05, 03:26 PM

Oh, I want

The taskforces sound neat enough; should be cool as long as it doesn't translate into easy kills. We could definitely use some of these guys.

gdogghenrikson · 08-28-05, 04:45 PM

Downloading now

and Good job on previous version. keep up the good work

joea · 08-28-05, 04:47 PM

Cool

CCIP · 08-28-05, 05:55 PM

Oh yea, jason -

Are my new coastal convoys included too, and have you looked into their composition at all? I think Observer was planning to dig up some info on them, but he's been busy with writing his helper programs lately...

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I think you should find my sneaky little route mod as actually making a big difference in terms of catching convoys, especially in the usual hunting areas. You try to chase those guys down in AM now

Observer · 08-28-05, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I think Observer was planning to dig up some info on them, but he's been busy with writing his helper programs lately...

Indeed. This thing has turned into a bit of a monster. KTB/Log reader/writer are coming along, but I'm having trouble with the fixing dinner and washing windows parts.

I've been a bit out of it of late. Refresh my memory on what you were looking for...

CCIP · 08-28-05, 08:52 PM

Data on British coastal convoys, along with HN/ON norwegian ones.
I put up a list of the coastal convoys from which to gather the data for my 6 generalized routes (each split into 3 different periods) in one of my two convoy-rerouting threads in the closed mod forum. Check them there if you have time.

Observer · 08-28-05, 09:39 PM

A quick look shows it's not worth a chart since there's not much data on any of the routes. When looked at as a whole, about the only conclusion you can draw is 25% should be small/tramp steamers, 50% should be medium merchants and 25% should be large merchants. Can't really do a breakdown by nationality since there's not enough data points. In those situations it seems reasonable they should be mostly British and Nowegian.

You might mix up some of the convoys a bit. EN and FS seem wieghted to the small end (small merchants and tramp steamers) while BTC/TBC and BB are look more like the split above.

It's not much, but there's not much data. This seems to be true from '42 to '45. I didn't see much for '39 to '41, though that's not much of a surprise to me.

jasonb885 · 08-28-05, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Oh yea, jason -

Are my new coastal convoys included too, and have you looked into their composition at all? I think Observer was planning to dig up some info on them, but he's been busy with writing his helper programs lately...
....

Oops.

I forgot to download your lastest copy after our last discussion about my downloading the wrong latest copy. This release does not include the coastal convoys to my knowledge.

Oops.

Next time, I hope.

CCIP · 08-28-05, 11:42 PM

Not a problem. I'd rather you looked over their composition first, anyway

Woof1701 · 08-29-05, 05:26 AM

@Jason

Thanks very much for that update. Did you already get around to working on the escorts skill considering the discussion we had lately?

jasonb885 · 08-29-05, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Woof1701

@Jason

Thanks very much for that update. Did you already get around to working on the escorts skill considering the discussion we had lately?

Actually these files predate that discussion by a week.

I haven't had any time to mess with things recently.

Woof1701 · 08-29-05, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jasonb885

Actually these files predate that discussion by a week.

I haven't had any time to mess with things recently.

Ah ok. Thanks for the quick answer. I'll have a look for the new unpredictable convoys.

antidotos · 08-29-05, 02:48 PM

Hi all,
well I m not sure it is the best place to post but I think Jason may have an idea (or CCIP ?). I use RUb1.43 (and the included stock IC).
1) is there a newer version for Improved Convoys ?
2) now something I noticed in my last mission with a type II in october 1939,
I encountered twice a Polish merchant in the middle of the north sea (actually was heading towards Britain coming out of the skagerrak), first I thought it was again a Norwegian coastal trader but i decided to investigate and was rewarded (sort of : I spent 5 torpedoes for just one hit, the first which turned out to be lethal hours later, I was informed of this by my omniscient NO....) after that I went on to my assigned position (to get points....) and hastily returned and.... practically on the same heading (but on a more northerly position) I met another Pole....(I carefully avoided confrontation this time, the previous one had attempted two ramming actions).
I think this is one too much, Poland no longer had any port in October, one casual merchantman is acceptable but a regular sealane Baltic-UK is not possible. I do not know if this comes from the stock game or if this can be addressed in the various mods (IC or and Ops) ?
More generally speaking is someone trying to work on "defeated countries" activity ?

08-28-05, 03:22 PM	#212
jasonb885 Samurai Navy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 580 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bump for the im-bored-on-sunday release. I included CCIP's zig zag convoys. He redid _all_ the convoy routes so they're unpredictable! I also messed with the task forces. They should be in columns of three with fewer battleships, more anti-aircraft cruisers, and the same quantity of destroyers. SH3 doesn't seem to always (ever?) place the battleships / CVs intelligently in the middle of the three columns, so sometimes kills may be a bit easier. Still less silly than a single column of 3 battleships with only fleet destroyers. I changed the convoy contact reports to 60% or less in response to reports that convoys are reported substantially too often. At least, I think that's why I did that. I don't really remember why now. Anyway, download if you want. __________________ X1 = Thieves Starforce officially promotes piracy of unprotected game, Galactic Civilizations II! eh? Improved Convoys mod!

08-28-05, 03:26 PM	#213
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Oh, I want The taskforces sound neat enough; should be cool as long as it doesn't translate into easy kills. We could definitely use some of these guys. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

08-28-05, 04:45 PM	#214
gdogghenrikson Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 978 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Downloading now and Good job on previous version. keep up the good work __________________ And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.

08-28-05, 05:55 PM	#216
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Oh yea, jason - Are my new coastal convoys included too, and have you looked into their composition at all? I think Observer was planning to dig up some info on them, but he's been busy with writing his helper programs lately... * I think you should find my sneaky little route mod as actually making a big difference in terms of catching convoys, especially in the usual hunting areas. You try to chase those guys down in AM now __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet** (aka Captain Beefheart)

08-28-05, 08:52 PM	#218
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Data on British coastal convoys, along with HN/ON norwegian ones. I put up a list of the coastal convoys from which to gather the data for my 6 generalized routes (each split into 3 different periods) in one of my two convoy-rerouting threads in the closed mod forum. Check them there if you have time. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

08-28-05, 04:47 PM	#215
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Cool

08-28-05, 09:39 PM	#219
Observer Commander Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 477 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	A quick look shows it's not worth a chart since there's not much data on any of the routes. When looked at as a whole, about the only conclusion you can draw is 25% should be small/tramp steamers, 50% should be medium merchants and 25% should be large merchants. Can't really do a breakdown by nationality since there's not enough data points. In those situations it seems reasonable they should be mostly British and Nowegian. You might mix up some of the convoys a bit. EN and FS seem wieghted to the small end (small merchants and tramp steamers) while BTC/TBC and BB are look more like the split above. It's not much, but there's not much data. This seems to be true from '42 to '45. I didn't see much for '39 to '41, though that's not much of a surprise to me.

08-28-05, 11:42 PM	#221
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Not a problem. I'd rather you looked over their composition first, anyway __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

08-29-05, 05:26 AM	#222
Woof1701 Commodore Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Munich, Germany, Home of U-96 Posts: 633 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	@Jason Thanks very much for that update. Did you already get around to working on the escorts skill considering the discussion we had lately?

08-29-05, 02:48 PM	#225
antidotos Mate Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 54 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Hi all, well I m not sure it is the best place to post but I think Jason may have an idea (or CCIP ?). I use RUb1.43 (and the included stock IC). 1) is there a newer version for Improved Convoys ? 2) now something I noticed in my last mission with a type II in october 1939, I encountered twice a Polish merchant in the middle of the north sea (actually was heading towards Britain coming out of the skagerrak), first I thought it was again a Norwegian coastal trader but i decided to investigate and was rewarded (sort of : I spent 5 torpedoes for just one hit, the first which turned out to be lethal hours later, I was informed of this by my omniscient NO....) after that I went on to my assigned position (to get points....) and hastily returned and.... practically on the same heading (but on a more northerly position) I met another Pole....(I carefully avoided confrontation this time, the previous one had attempted two ramming actions). I think this is one too much, Poland no longer had any port in October, one casual merchantman is acceptable but a regular sealane Baltic-UK is not possible. I do not know if this comes from the stock game or if this can be addressed in the various mods (IC or and Ops) ? More generally speaking is someone trying to work on "defeated countries" activity ?