Hundreds of Occupy Wall Street protesters arrested - Page 15

soopaman2 · 10-13-11, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

You know what -you can actually defend others without having to actually become who you are defending.
Likewise you can critisize somthing that you yourself are apart of.

You dont need to be poor to sympathise with poor people,
You can still find faults with capitalism, even if you are a captialist.

The hypocracy lable is cheap and overused.

People who protest are exercising there freedom of speech and right to protest. Some are idiots who do just going long for the ride, but there is no such thing as a MASS protest without a message.
People protest to for a change of policy that is currently not on offer from their government, if enough people are behind it, then any fair democratic society should at the very least take them seriously enough to listen.
Not every protester will be united on opinion, just as every Christian, Liberal, Republican, whatever is not united in theirs.

The way some people seem so desperate to use their own freedom of speech -to discredit and insult and shut up the protesters, makes me wonder why they want to live in America - perhaps they would be much happier in China where those people they despise so much are forced to shut up.

How's that for Hypocracy?

Anyone who is still struggling with what the protest is about, please watch this 4 minute cartoon that explains it in laymens terms.

I find it bad that someone from the UK knows more about how America works than most Americans. They barely even teach civics in our schools nowadays.

Rockstar · 10-13-11, 09:06 AM

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Anyone who is still struggling with what the protest is about, please watch this 4 minute cartoon that explains it in laymens terms.

Sounds very much like the same thing the Tea Party was protesting. <runs for cover>

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Sounds very much like the same thing the Tea Party was protesting. <runs for cover>

no need to run. I think you are correct.

JU_88 · 10-13-11, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by August

They had a seminar at Brown yesterday to teach the student "activists" what they are protesting about.

http://newsblog.projo.com/2011/10/oc...spires-te.html

Keep in mind that it costs over $50K per year to attend Brown university. I'm sure those students can really relate to the problems of the working poor...

its totally irrelivant, America is their country too, maybe they do like the way thing are being done, they are entitled to their opinion regardless of their financial background. And at the rate things are going, its possible that $50k wont be worth the paper its printed on in the not to distant future anyway.
The protesters are not just student and hippies, (and who the hell are we to look down on students and hippies anyway?) many are ordinary working and middle class Americans just like you.

This petty cuture of 'discredit what you dont like' seems to me like a cowardly way of attempting to side step around issues rather than face them head on.
The American mainstream Media does it extremely well and teaches american citizens to do the same.
Turn that garbage off, there are plenty of places online where you can hear it from the horses mouth, in this day and age you no longer need a co-operate sponsered middle-man to tell you what going on in your country right now.

Gerald · 10-13-11, 11:04 AM

The Wall Street-critical protests spreading like wildfire across the world and has now reached Sweden. On Saturday, said several blue and gold rallies held at least nine Swedish cities.

August · 10-13-11, 11:07 AM

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The protesters are not just student and hippies, (and who the hell are we to look down on students and hippies anyway?) many are ordinary working and middle class Americans just like you.

You're describing Brown students as hard working and middle class folks just like me? Hardly.

If they were that much in tune with the situation as you claim then explain why they need to be told what they're protesting?

gimpy117 · 10-13-11, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

I find it bad that someone from the UK knows more about how America works than most Americans. They barely even teach civics in our schools nowadays.

because they are too busy catering to standardized tests. Now for college you need to to the Sat, ACT, Meaps (in Michigan during elementary) and the MME. Sadly, schools are judged by these.

JU_88 · 10-13-11, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by August

You're describing Brown students as hard working and middle class folks just like me? Hardly.

If they were that much in tune with the situation as you claim then explain why they need to be told what they're protesting?

No sorry I meant the protesters in general.

August · 10-13-11, 11:44 AM

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No sorry I meant the protesters in general.

I don't have a problem with protestors or protesting in general, it's just I too often see a bunch of pampered and spoiled Ivy league college kids manning the barricades (so to speak) who have no absolutely clue what it really means to be in bad financial straits.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 11:46 AM

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because they are too busy catering to standardized tests. Now for college you need to to the Sat, ACT, Meaps (in Michigan during elementary) and the MME. Sadly, schools are judged by these.

You are correct gimpy. The reason they teach to test is simply the way to keep their teaching jobs. Tenure is becoming something of the past. The school, however, is judged by these but the individual teacher is much more closely judged as to performance.

August · 10-13-11, 12:00 PM

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You are correct gimpy. The reason they teach to test is simply the way to keep their teaching jobs. Tenure is becoming something of the past. The school, however, is judged by these but the individual teacher is much more closely judged as to performance.

As a private school teacher I have some sympathy for my public school brethren. They have less and less control over their students, more and more restrictions on their ability to do their job. It's an increasingly difficult situation they're being forced to deal with.

JU_88 · 10-13-11, 12:08 PM

@ august, sorry pal, I misread your post at the top of the page, my bad.

August · 10-13-11, 12:11 PM

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@ august, sorry pal, I misread your post at the top of the page, my bad.

soopaman2 · 10-13-11, 12:24 PM

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As a private school teacher I have some sympathy for my public school brethren. They have less and less control over their students, more and more restrictions on their ability to do their job. It's an increasingly difficult situation they're being forced to deal with.

Here in New Jersey charter schools are starting to pick up steam because of the superior education recieved. The teachers union fights it, even as we pay the highest property tax in the nation (A majority of which goes towards schools) Pair that with having a massive, densely packed population.

Keep up the good work.

Edit: sorry for the full on thread derail.

Rockstar · 10-13-11, 12:29 PM

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no need to run. I think you are correct.

If that's true then it would seem people are simply too stupid to realize they are being divided played for chumps by a very few working to consolidate their power over them.

I mean if these two protest groups quit watching the talking heads telling them what to think. And actually went out and met each other they just might find they are very much the same. Might help if they just turned off the TV for a week and then went out.

But no, it will never happen because OWS is a bunch of left wing stupid freeloaders and the Tea Party is a bunch of right wing racists and bigots!

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JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,813 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	@ august, sorry pal, I misread your post at the top of the page, my bad.