The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 15

Mud · 02-16-10, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ERPP8

Shut the !@#$%^&* up about DRM in SHV
And also what do you think the problem will be with DRM.

Mud

ERPP8 · 02-16-10, 05:06 PM

If I could change the title I would

HundertzehnGustav · 02-16-10, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ERPP8

If I could change the title I would

Sailor Steve · 02-16-10, 05:10 PM

I don't understand what the question "What do you think the problem with DRM bill be?" has to do with the actual poll choices. What my connection is like has nothing to do with the problem I see with this concept. Physical problems? Sure. But that has nothing to do with the reasons I will or won't be involved with monetary transactions related to obtaining this particular item for personal enjoyment. Those problems are strictly moral.

And I think Steamwake had the best take on this whole subject.

02-16-10, 05:19 PM

ERPP8 take a deep breath.

If you have no problem with the DRM then good for you, buy it but don't complain when it destroys your enjoyment of the game.

The question should be is there any need to disrespect other members as much as you have with the title of the thread?

ERPP8 · 02-16-10, 06:07 PM

In the first DRM thread people were civilized, not they have stupid jokes as their signatures and say stuff like "DRM will ruin the game.
A game is a game, if SHV ends up being a suckish game so be it.
But if it is great, but people are predigest against it that is dumb.

ETR3(SS) · 02-16-10, 06:08 PM

As immature as it may be...

IN BEFORE THE LOCK!

ReFaN · 02-16-10, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

As immature as it may be...

IN BEFORE THE LOCK!

Seconded

ERPP8 · 02-16-10, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

As immature as it may be...

IN BEFORE THE LOCK!

In before the lock?

KeithMoonsLiver · 02-17-10, 09:29 PM

It won't stop people from pirating it, the most it will do is delay it a few days before it's out there. DRM like this just makes it even more attractive to pirate the game, since you will be able to play it offline. It's like gun control- it hurts the people who follow the law in the first place, but has little affect on the people that break the law in the first place. I've bought SH2, 3 and 4 but there's no way I'll buy this one.

Onkel Neal · 02-17-10, 09:47 PM

Refuted.

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Finally, on the contentious topic of DRM, aside from Spore whose audience may well have fallen victim to DRM-induced hysteria, the presence of intrusive DRM appears not to increase piracy of a game. For example Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed and Crysis all have no intrusive DRM whatsoever: they all use basic SafeDisc copy protection with no install limits, no online activation, and no major reports of protection-related issues. Yet all were pirated heavily enough to have the dubious distinction of being in the Top 10 downloaded games list. But strangely absent from the list are several popular games which do use more intrusive DRM: BioShock, Crysis Warhead, and Mass Effect. This indicates quite clearly that intrusive DRM is not the main reason why some games are pirated more heavily than others. We examine this issue in more detail in the Copy Protection & DRM section.

This is the most insightful, factful, and well-researched article about PC games and piracy around, by noted tech author Koroush Ghazi:

PC Game Piracy Examined

Hopefully there are some here who have long enough attention spans to read this all the way through without resorting to a session of HALO. It covers Steam, Starforce, the disparity between PC and console sales, and more. You can learn a lot from it. Hopefully you can learn to stop parroting the same stuff you heard from everyone else.

Letum · 02-17-10, 10:33 PM

From Neal's Link:

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Interestingly enough, there's very little in the way of actual evidence that StarForce does anything harmful [...]
By 2006 it was too late. [etc.]

That's plain wrong.

Starforce admired in an interview at: http://reclaimyourgame.com/
that a starforce version was a likely cause of windows failing to
recognise optical drives.

The class action case over IDE drives been put into a slower mode
was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. That would not have
happened with out some good evidence. Very slow speeds have
caused ophysical errors in some, but not all, CD drives.

The enforced reboots without chance to save your work is also
admitted by starforce (although not present in current SF versions).

Onkel Neal · 02-18-10, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

From Neal's Link:

That's plain wrong.

Starforce admired in an interview at: http://reclaimyourgame.com/
that a starforce version was a likely cause of windows failing to
recognise optical drives.

The class action case over IDE drives been put into a slower mode
was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. That would not have
happened with out some good evidence. Very slow speeds have
caused ophysical errors in some, but not all, CD drives.

The enforced reboots without chance to save your work is also
admitted by starforce (although not present in current SF versions).

Wonderful, you provide a link to a page that does not mention optical drives this interview. Can you fine tune your citation a little?

Letum · 02-18-10, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Wonderful, you provide a link to a page that does not mention optical drives this interview. Can you fine tune your citation a little?

The starforce interviews are on the left of the page under "starforce interviews".

jokerl90 · 02-18-10, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Refuted.

This is the most insightful, factful, and well-researched article about PC games and piracy around, by noted tech author Koroush Ghazi:

PC Game Piracy Examined

Hopefully there are some here who have long enough attention spans to read this all the way through without resorting to a session of HALO. It covers Steam, Starforce, the disparity between PC and console sales, and more. You can learn a lot from it. Hopefully you can learn to stop parroting the same stuff you heard from everyone else.

Koroush Ghazi is the one person on the internet in who I trust absolutely. If he says it, I believe it. If he gives advise on something, I take it. I look in on his site every day. I remember when he wrote this, I never really read it because I'm not at all interested the issue of piracy, until now.
While I don't agree with the way ubisoft is going with this, I just got a reminder that there are two sides to any issue.

02-16-10, 05:10 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I don't understand what the question "What do you think the problem with DRM bill be?" has to do with the actual poll choices. What my connection is like has nothing to do with the problem I see with this concept. Physical problems? Sure. But that has nothing to do with the reasons I will or won't be involved with monetary transactions related to obtaining this particular item for personal enjoyment. Those problems are strictly moral. And I think Steamwake had the best take on this whole subject. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-16-10, 06:07 PM	#6
ERPP8 Commodore Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: My House Posts: 608 Downloads: 161 Uploads: 0	This DRM has gone way out of hand In the first DRM thread people were civilized, not they have stupid jokes as their signatures and say stuff like "DRM will ruin the game. A game is a game, if SHV ends up being a suckish game so be it. But if it is great, but people are predigest against it that is dumb.

02-16-10, 06:08 PM	#7
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	As immature as it may be... IN BEFORE THE LOCK! __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

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02-16-10, 05:06 PM	#2
ERPP8 Commodore Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: My House Posts: 608 Downloads: 161 Uploads: 0	If I could change the title I would

02-16-10, 05:19 PM	#5
Kefru Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	ERPP8 take a deep breath. If you have no problem with the DRM then good for you, buy it but don't complain when it destroys your enjoyment of the game. The question should be is there any need to disrespect other members as much as you have with the title of the thread?

02-17-10, 09:29 PM	#10
KeithMoonsLiver Bilge Rat Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	It won't stop people from pirating it, the most it will do is delay it a few days before it's out there. DRM like this just makes it even more attractive to pirate the game, since you will be able to play it offline. It's like gun control- it hurts the people who follow the law in the first place, but has little affect on the people that break the law in the first place. I've bought SH2, 3 and 4 but there's no way I'll buy this one.