[WIP] Combat Flag - Page 15

TheDarkWraith · 08-26-07, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zombiewolf

I changed the tga files to read type 7c_1_flag and 7c_2 _flag.put them manually in the texture TNormal/Tex and LowRes/Tex files.it works fine!

I now have flag for type VIIC

that would be correct BUT the Turm you are using now for your VIIc is the VIIb's. As long as you keep this to yourself I have no problem with it. If you try and distribute this I will have a problem with it. I will release remaining sub's Turms when I am satisfied with the mod.

AtlantikEel · 08-27-07, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Racerboy

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Originally Posted by AtlantikEel

When I download the file I do not get a zip folder, just an indecipherable file that opens with Microsoft Office Word.

you need to download 7-zip or software that can uncompress a 7-zip file.
Look here: http://www.7-zip.org/download.html

Thankyou Racerboy, very much! I have downloaded the 7-Zip 4.52 beta.exe, and look forward to setting out on my next patrol using your terrific mod.

Reece · 08-27-07, 01:06 AM

Yeh, stop jumping the Queue Zombiewolf!

Looking good RB, let me know if you want the twisty tweak files.

AtlantikEel · 08-27-07, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Racerboy

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Originally Posted by AtlantikEel

When I download the file I do not get a zip folder, just an indecipherable file that opens with Microsoft Office Word.

you need to download 7-zip or software that can uncompress a 7-zip file.
Look here: http://www.7-zip.org/download.html

Again, thankyou very much Racerboy!
With your help I am now successfully running your flag and exhaust smoke mods, as well as the open hatch mod.

mountainmanUK · 08-27-07, 07:06 AM

Many thanks for this Mod, Racerboy!
It seemed as if this was going to end up as the "Holy Grail" of SH3 Modding, with lots of people suggesting ways to show flags on Turms, but no-one actually getting stuck into MAKING it work!
Your results so far are impressive!

I'm really looking forward to being able to sail back into Bergen with my flag flying proudly from the turm, with pennants fluttering off the Obs scope!!! Many actual photos show that was (in the main) a favourite way of doing it!
Maybe a few different "pennant collections" could be modelled, representing good patrols (lots of pennants) or just 1 or 2 for less successful patrols?

Cheers mate....keep up the great work!

TheDarkWraith · 08-27-07, 07:32 AM

I have a working 3D model of the pennant now I'm just working on the animations for it to show it waving in the air.
Which now leads me to what should be on the pennants? Are they solid colored, have pictures on them, or ?? If they have pictures then what are the pictures of? Can someone help me out with pictures, explanations, colors, etc. so I can develop the required textures for the pennants. I'm leaning on making the pennants double sided thus allowing you to use one picture, color, whatever on one side and something else on the other side if you'd like.
I'll post some screenies of the pennant attached to the scope here shortly so you all can get an idea of what it looks like and size. I'll need some freedback as to whether they are the correct size, shape, etc. since this was all WAY before my time. I wasn't even born before this all happened.

mountainmanUK · 08-27-07, 07:47 AM

I believe that the "Victory Pennants" flown by Uboats, were home-made triangular flags, generally white, which were painted with the tonnage of the ship sunk.

I once saw a photograph of one of these being painted-up in a boat. The size looked to be around 2 feet by 9 inches. It appeared to have simply been cut from an old bedsheet, or similar cloth.

I will try to find pics and post them here (if I can!)

EDIT: Another reliable source states that White pennants signified Merchants, Red signified Escorts, Light Blue signified Capital ships. There was no "standard" form, although some Crews added their Uboats emblem and/or a silhouette of the victim vessel to the pennant. Tonnage was the main criteria!

JScones · 08-27-07, 08:26 AM

http://centroeu.com/uboote/117k.jpg
http://centroeu.com/uboote/116k.jpg
http://centroeu.com/uboote/254k.jpg
http://www.uboataces.com/photos/2005992315062578.jpg
http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-604Binn16.jpg
http://www.ubootwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi?boat=354 (bottom right image)

Also have a look at the first link in Pant's post, which gives a reasonable closeup example of a few (they are WWII pennants despite the rest of the comments).

The design was very much up to the creator, based on what material they had at hand, although including the tonnage amount was standard. A lot of photos I've seen also include (presumably) the ship's silhouette. Of course, they were all triangular.

According to a number of references I have ("U-Boat Ace" by Jordon Vause Wolfgang Luth comes to mind), they tended to mostly be on white fabric, with some having coloured borders (for example the right boat in the second last link above).

TheDarkWraith · 08-27-07, 12:03 PM

thank you all! That gives me something to work with.

silentrunner · 08-27-07, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Klaus_Doldinger

OOOps, Einsmann, nice to see you also!

Quite a good idea I must say but it would be cool to have flags on the boat regulallrly.

Klaus_Doldinger · 08-27-07, 05:45 PM

By the way, I have found this supposed authentic Kriegsmarine Flag, its measures are 1 x 1,70, as you can see in the pole side. Perhaps a bit large for an Uboat?

Sailor Steve · 08-27-07, 07:48 PM

As to the pennants, if you get to watch the "Original, Uncut" 5-hour version of Das Boot, they have a scene of the crew painting the pennants as they return to port.

The pennants, as far as I know, only had 'general' tonnages: 1000, 8000, 14,000 etc. AOD had these, but then that was only a 2-D sidescrolling screen, so it was easier. I'll be curious to see if you can make them have the proper tonnages for that patrol.

TheDarkWraith · 08-28-07, 12:27 AM

Here is the promised screenie of the flags and pennants:

I made a quick BETA of this for the VIIb based on SH3 1.4b files so that you all can give me some feedback on it before I start animating the pennants. I need a general concensus that the size,shape, locations, etc. of the pennants are good before I do the animating of it (saves me lots of work in the long run). Any and all comments/suggestions please. Once I dive into animating it I'm not going to change the design anymore.

http://dodownload.filefront.com/8418...9bad71f9c07173

Please read the enclosed text file for credits and how to use and make you own pennants. It will also answer most of the questions you all will probably ask right away.

Klaus_Doldinger · 08-28-07, 04:29 AM

I like it! Downloading and testing.

AtlantikEel · 08-28-07, 04:38 AM

Looks fine (size, position) to me.
I think they usually had one pennant for every ship sunk, so this example might indicate that U-515 sank two for 10,600 tons? :hmm:

08-27-07, 01:06 AM	#213
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,802 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Yeh, stop jumping the Queue Zombiewolf! Looking good RB, let me know if you want the twisty tweak files. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

08-27-07, 07:47 AM	#217
mountainmanUK Sparky Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Blackburn, Lancashire, ENGLAND Posts: 154 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	I believe that the "Victory Pennants" flown by Uboats, were home-made triangular flags, generally white, which were painted with the tonnage of the ship sunk. I once saw a photograph of one of these being painted-up in a boat. The size looked to be around 2 feet by 9 inches. It appeared to have simply been cut from an old bedsheet, or similar cloth. I will try to find pics and post them here (if I can!) EDIT: Another reliable source states that White pennants signified Merchants, Red signified Escorts, Light Blue signified Capital ships. There was no "standard" form, although some Crews added their Uboats emblem and/or a silhouette of the victim vessel to the pennant. Tonnage was the main criteria! Last edited by mountainmanUK; 08-27-07 at 07:58 AM.

08-27-07, 05:45 PM	#221
Klaus_Doldinger Planesman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madrid, España Posts: 198 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	By the way, I have found this supposed authentic Kriegsmarine Flag, its measures are 1 x 1,70, as you can see in the pole side. Perhaps a bit large for an Uboat? __________________ OL zS. Siegfried Rollmann, U 108 in WaW IV, 6th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (111.829 BRT) Lt zS Klaus Doldinger (U 36), 4th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (50.713 BRT) SH3 Cmdr 3.1 GWX 3.0 GWX 16 Km atmosphere GWX no medals on crew GWX open hatch GWX Saint Nazaire, Schleuse and units OLC GUI 1.2.7 Thomsen´s sound Torpedo damage final Rubini´s lifeboats and debris D.i.D.

08-27-07, 07:48 PM	#222
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	As to the pennants, if you get to watch the "Original, Uncut" 5-hour version of Das Boot, they have a scene of the crew painting the pennants as they return to port. The pennants, as far as I know, only had 'general' tonnages: 1000, 8000, 14,000 etc. AOD had these, but then that was only a 2-D sidescrolling screen, so it was easier. I'll be curious to see if you can make them have the proper tonnages for that patrol. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-28-07, 04:29 AM	#224
Klaus_Doldinger Planesman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madrid, España Posts: 198 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I like it! Downloading and testing. __________________ OL zS. Siegfried Rollmann, U 108 in WaW IV, 6th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (111.829 BRT) Lt zS Klaus Doldinger (U 36), 4th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (50.713 BRT) SH3 Cmdr 3.1 GWX 3.0 GWX 16 Km atmosphere GWX no medals on crew GWX open hatch GWX Saint Nazaire, Schleuse and units OLC GUI 1.2.7 Thomsen´s sound Torpedo damage final Rubini´s lifeboats and debris D.i.D.

08-27-07, 07:06 AM	#215
mountainmanUK Sparky Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Blackburn, Lancashire, ENGLAND Posts: 154 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Many thanks for this Mod, Racerboy! It seemed as if this was going to end up as the "Holy Grail" of SH3 Modding, with lots of people suggesting ways to show flags on Turms, but no-one actually getting stuck into MAKING it work! Your results so far are impressive! I'm really looking forward to being able to sail back into Bergen with my flag flying proudly from the turm, with pennants fluttering off the Obs scope!!! Many actual photos show that was (in the main) a favourite way of doing it! Maybe a few different "pennant collections" could be modelled, representing good patrols (lots of pennants) or just 1 or 2 for less successful patrols? Cheers mate....keep up the great work!

08-27-07, 07:32 AM	#216
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	I have a working 3D model of the pennant now I'm just working on the animations for it to show it waving in the air. Which now leads me to what should be on the pennants? Are they solid colored, have pictures on them, or ?? If they have pictures then what are the pictures of? Can someone help me out with pictures, explanations, colors, etc. so I can develop the required textures for the pennants. I'm leaning on making the pennants double sided thus allowing you to use one picture, color, whatever on one side and something else on the other side if you'd like. I'll post some screenies of the pennant attached to the scope here shortly so you all can get an idea of what it looks like and size. I'll need some freedback as to whether they are the correct size, shape, etc. since this was all WAY before my time. I wasn't even born before this all happened.

08-27-07, 08:26 AM	#218
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	http://centroeu.com/uboote/117k.jpg http://centroeu.com/uboote/116k.jpg http://centroeu.com/uboote/254k.jpg http://www.uboataces.com/photos/2005992315062578.jpg http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-604Binn16.jpg http://www.ubootwaffe.net/ops/boat.cgi?boat=354 (bottom right image) Also have a look at the first link in Pant's post, which gives a reasonable closeup example of a few (they are WWII pennants despite the rest of the comments). The design was very much up to the creator, based on what material they had at hand, although including the tonnage amount was standard. A lot of photos I've seen also include (presumably) the ship's silhouette. Of course, they were all triangular. According to a number of references I have ("U-Boat Ace" by Jordon Vause Wolfgang Luth comes to mind), they tended to mostly be on white fabric, with some having coloured borders (for example the right boat in the second last link above).

08-27-07, 12:03 PM	#219
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	thank you all! That gives me something to work with.

08-28-07, 12:27 AM	#223
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	Here is the promised screenie of the flags and pennants: I made a quick BETA of this for the VIIb based on SH3 1.4b files so that you all can give me some feedback on it before I start animating the pennants. I need a general concensus that the size,shape, locations, etc. of the pennants are good before I do the animating of it (saves me lots of work in the long run). Any and all comments/suggestions please. Once I dive into animating it I'm not going to change the design anymore. http://dodownload.filefront.com/8418...9bad71f9c07173 Please read the enclosed text file for credits and how to use and make you own pennants. It will also answer most of the questions you all will probably ask right away.

08-28-07, 04:38 AM	#225
AtlantikEel A-ganger Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 74 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Looks fine (size, position) to me. I think they usually had one pennant for every ship sunk, so this example might indicate that U-515 sank two for 10,600 tons? :hmm: