Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 - Page 141

Exocet25fr · 12-20-23, 07:12 AM

Putin's Russia is closing in on devastating victory

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ating-victory/

Jimbuna · 12-20-23, 07:14 AM

Jimbuna · 12-20-23, 08:16 AM

Skybird · 12-20-23, 12:02 PM

https://www.nzz.ch/international/mil..._x_tr_pto=wapp

It seems another German bubble is bursting - the bubble of splendid German military aid. Bu/abble Olaf in his element.

Jimbuna · 12-20-23, 01:16 PM

^ Personally I have never believed it and believed it was in fact the UK in 'military' terms.

mapuc · 12-20-23, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

https://www.nzz.ch/international/mil..._x_tr_pto=wapp

It seems another German bubble is bursting - the bubble of splendid German military aid. Bu/abble Olaf in his element.

I got the German version and not the English.

Doesn't matter I understood what the article said.

Deutschland ist der zweitgrösste militärische Unterstützer der Ukraine? Nein, ist es nicht

Germany is the 2nd biggest provide of military aid to Ukraine- No it is not.

Markus

Skybird · 12-20-23, 04:27 PM

Colonel Reisner, in a text, and then in a (German) video).

https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/..._x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos...e24609466.html

He confirms what I said yesterday: it seems the Ukraine prepares to stay all next year and probably even 2025 in defensive mode, trying to consolkiudate and restructure, also rebuild some arms industry, to get the means to start another offensive 2026. While Russia feels more and more confident and starts to threaten NAOT members again. Putin even travels beyond Russian borders. I dont think this Ukrainian long term "strategy" can work, not with a delay of 2 years. With the support level from the west like now, it will not live to see a refurbished defensive industry sector until 2026, but will see more of itself destroyed.

If i would want to sound pessimistic I would say: they realise that they have lost it - and now they need more time just to admit to themselves that they understood that.

Even if the West decides to help more - I do not see the big pool where such ammounts of aid and supply as needed should come from. I also do not think the Ukrainian people will have the psychological stamina to endure another two years, staying optimistic for the - imagined - big offensive in 2026. And who says that will be more successful? The Russians in relation will then be even stronger than they are today, because different to the Ukraine's and the West's their war production runs at maximum speed, and a minimum 3 factors more output than before the war, in drione and certain types of greandes and ammuntions up to 7-10X more. Plus deliveries from Iran, North Korea.

What a royal mess. Considerably caused by Western fear, hesitation and indifference. Our leaders should feel deeply ashamed. They failed, completely.

On a sidenote, NATO has lost its credibility. It got put to the test, toi help a neighbouring country, not even in combat, but onyl by deliveries of goods and items - and not even that it managed to get done. Our enemies in all the world will take note of it. They will win in confidence and will set up more challenges. My own trust in NATO has suffered beyond repair. I cannot take it serious and credible anymore.

mapuc · 12-20-23, 04:50 PM

Skybird wrote:
"My own trust in NATO has suffered beyond repair. I cannot take it serious and credible anymore."

I had been thinking about starting a new thread about NATO.
The reason behind this is that USA has made exclusive agreement with NATO member states, such as Finland, Sweden(they see them as a member), Norway and Denmark*.

This made me think-Do USA see NATO as a dead thing ?

* The agreement gives the US army right to place troops in these countries in peace time as in wartime-However it is American law who is being used if an American soldier commit a crime.

Markus

mapuc · 12-20-23, 06:57 PM

Markus

Jimbuna · 12-21-23, 05:36 AM

Jimbuna · 12-21-23, 06:58 AM

Skybird · 12-21-23, 10:44 AM

In fact most of the grounds Ukrainians won back from Russia at Bakhmut, has been retaken by Russia, or are about to be retaken to Russia. High losses, yes, and dah and dah and dahdahdah - still Russia marches.

Avdiivka seems to be on the brink of falling. Not that there is much left to "fall", practically no stone and no brick has been left unturned. But at the end the technical scoring has Russia in the lead.

I assume that Ukrainians sooin act accpording to the needed cobclusoon that they must straightne their defence lines, and thus they will pull back a bit in many places, loosing more - relatively unimportant amounts of ground. If they don't, their losses will climb and their ammo reserves will deplete faster.

Russia will concentrate on all territories in the embattled oblasts that are not yet under its control. It seems Putin wants them to be completely Russian. In these areas, Russia will push the offensives.

mapuc · 12-21-23, 10:50 AM

Yes for the Russian it's nothing but a number when they lose 10.000 or 20.000 men. For the Ukrainian on the other hand it's a disaster.

Markus

Jimbuna · 12-21-23, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

In fact most of the grounds Ukrainians won back from Russia at Bakhmut, has been retaken by Russia, or are about to be retaken to Russia. High losses, yes, and dah and dah and dahdahdah - still Russia marches.

Avdiivka seems to be on the brink of falling. Not that there is much left to "fall", practically no stone and no brick has been left unturned. But at the end the technical scoring has Russia in the lead.

I assume that Ukrainians sooin act accpording to the needed cobclusoon that they must straightne their defence lines, and thus they will pull back a bit in many places, loosing more - relatively unimportant amounts of ground. If they don't, their losses will climb and their ammo reserves will deplete faster.

Russia will concentrate on all territories in the embattled oblasts that are not yet under its control. It seems Putin wants them to be completely Russian. In these areas, Russia will push the offensives.

Strange, there are no longer stories/theories going around that Putin is dead.

vanjast · 12-21-23, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Strange, there are no longer stories/theories going around that Putin is dead.

Well.. If you look at the 'history photos' you will find that the 'Putin' you see now, is very different to the legacy Putin.. not to mention 'biden', not to mention all other 'executed' USA/EU of world so called 'leaders'.

I'm really crying here at the blindness of you lot,.

12-20-23, 07:12 AM	#2101
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12-20-23, 07:14 AM	#2102
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12-20-23, 12:02 PM	#2104
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,636 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	https://www.nzz.ch/international/mil..._x_tr_pto=wapp It seems another German bubble is bursting - the bubble of splendid German military aid. Bu/abble Olaf in his element. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-20-23, 01:16 PM	#2105
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^ Personally I have never believed it and believed it was in fact the UK in 'military' terms. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

12-20-23, 04:27 PM	#2107
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,636 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Colonel Reisner, in a text, and then in a (German) video). https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/..._x_tr_pto=wapp https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos...e24609466.html He confirms what I said yesterday: it seems the Ukraine prepares to stay all next year and probably even 2025 in defensive mode, trying to consolkiudate and restructure, also rebuild some arms industry, to get the means to start another offensive 2026. While Russia feels more and more confident and starts to threaten NAOT members again. Putin even travels beyond Russian borders. I dont think this Ukrainian long term "strategy" can work, not with a delay of 2 years. With the support level from the west like now, it will not live to see a refurbished defensive industry sector until 2026, but will see more of itself destroyed. If i would want to sound pessimistic I would say: they realise that they have lost it - and now they need more time just to admit to themselves that they understood that. Even if the West decides to help more - I do not see the big pool where such ammounts of aid and supply as needed should come from. I also do not think the Ukrainian people will have the psychological stamina to endure another two years, staying optimistic for the - imagined - big offensive in 2026. And who says that will be more successful? The Russians in relation will then be even stronger than they are today, because different to the Ukraine's and the West's their war production runs at maximum speed, and a minimum 3 factors more output than before the war, in drione and certain types of greandes and ammuntions up to 7-10X more. Plus deliveries from Iran, North Korea. What a royal mess. Considerably caused by Western fear, hesitation and indifference. Our leaders should feel deeply ashamed. They failed, completely. On a sidenote, NATO has lost its credibility. It got put to the test, toi help a neighbouring country, not even in combat, but onyl by deliveries of goods and items - and not even that it managed to get done. Our enemies in all the world will take note of it. They will win in confidence and will set up more challenges. My own trust in NATO has suffered beyond repair. I cannot take it serious and credible anymore. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-20-23, 04:50 PM	#2108
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 18,078 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Skybird wrote: "My own trust in NATO has suffered beyond repair. I cannot take it serious and credible anymore." I had been thinking about starting a new thread about NATO. The reason behind this is that USA has made exclusive agreement with NATO member states, such as Finland, Sweden(they see them as a member), Norway and Denmark. This made me think-Do USA see NATO as a dead thing ? The agreement gives the US army right to place troops in these countries in peace time as in wartime-However it is American law who is being used if an American soldier commit a crime. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

12-20-23, 06:57 PM	#2109
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12-21-23, 10:44 AM	#2112
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,636 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	In fact most of the grounds Ukrainians won back from Russia at Bakhmut, has been retaken by Russia, or are about to be retaken to Russia. High losses, yes, and dah and dah and dahdahdah - still Russia marches. Avdiivka seems to be on the brink of falling. Not that there is much left to "fall", practically no stone and no brick has been left unturned. But at the end the technical scoring has Russia in the lead. I assume that Ukrainians sooin act accpording to the needed cobclusoon that they must straightne their defence lines, and thus they will pull back a bit in many places, loosing more - relatively unimportant amounts of ground. If they don't, their losses will climb and their ammo reserves will deplete faster. Russia will concentrate on all territories in the embattled oblasts that are not yet under its control. It seems Putin wants them to be completely Russian. In these areas, Russia will push the offensives. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-21-23, 10:50 AM	#2113
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 18,078 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Yes for the Russian it's nothing but a number when they lose 10.000 or 20.000 men. For the Ukrainian on the other hand it's a disaster. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat