Hundreds of Occupy Wall Street protesters arrested

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

That's good for a laugh. The "keep your government hands off my Medicare" guy was a great example of this. A willful and proud ignorance of history, science and economics are the hallmarks of the Tea Party. Sorry, but I just ain't buying it.

I'm on the side of someone who wants government to serve the people, rather than the donors. No matter how they attempt to smear the messenger, that's a message that's hard to fault.

And you have to ask yourself - why would people go to such lengths to smear someone with that message. Interesting....hmm...

In any case, they're two sides of the same coin. Both angry at a government who they feel is not serving their interests.

The Tea Party believe corporations work for the better good of americans....that should be a clue of how dumb they're.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I'm on the side of someone who wants government to serve the people, rather than the donors. No matter how they attempt to smear the messenger, that's a message that's hard to fault.

In any case, they're two sides of the same coin. Both angry at a government who they feel is not serving their interests.

I've been to both events, and there is a huge difference. Yes, there are morons at Tea Party events, but most people there are articulating ideas relating to freedom, constitutional principles, economics, taxes, and law. And many are very knowledgeable on these topics or are there to learn. It is organized, respectful, clean, and everybody goes home after the event. Change is evident at the ballot box as a result of these activities. In effect, Tea Party rallies have been successful.

The occupy event I saw, nearly everybody needed a shower, many were drunk or high on something, and nobody knew what they were doing there. It was more like a party atmosphere. Nearly everyone there was mindlessly droning on with some stupid chant. Many were there to demand government give them somebody else's property or the fruits of their labor. Most are simply there to demand stuff be given to them. Maybe that's what is meant by "government serving the people rather than the donors (taxpayers)". But at this occupy event I was at, it's just plain old socialism being pushed by a ragtag assembly of losers. Nobody knowledgeable about anything. Stupidity, intoxication, and filth everywhere. No substance to any message at all.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by JU_88

I suggest you do some research in to the worlds wealth distribution.

I don't know how it works in your part of the world, but here we earn our wealth. Nobody distributes any wealth to anybody. World's financial assets, and national wealth is a product of what they produce, innovate, and how they utilize their resources. It is not distributed. And although I never said we have a perfect system, it is alot better than the alternative. Freedom is non-negotiable for me. And while you type on the device brought to you by Capitalism, I recommend you consider that.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Armistead

The Tea Party believe corporations work for the better good of americans....that should be a clue of how dumb they're.

Corporations work to maximize profit and build supply chains to support their products. It's about making a living and improving quality of life. You can choose to participate if you wish. Or you can sit on your rump, whine about the system, loiter around Wall street chanting idiotic slogans, and demand people who do participate in Capitalism give you stuff....ala the occupiers.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Corporations work to maximize profit and build supply chains to support their products. It's about making a living and improving quality of life.

Really? How did the esoteric derivatives and instruments...the CDS, the ABS, the CDOs... that Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, AIG et. al. came up with improve the quality of anyone's life? They did nothing but throw the world economy into a crisis that is still affecting the lives of millions of people. Teachers, firefighters, secretaries, electricians, painters, construction workers are the ones who paid the price for that fraud, not those who caused it. Those companies get billion dollar bailouts with no real strings attached. They're back to paying million dollar bonuses as if nothing happened, to people making use of tax loopholes that allow them to pay less than someone who makes 1/10th of what they do.

Meanwhile there's people out there out of a job because of the system that Wall Street rigged for itself blew up and we got stuck with their casino tab. And if you believe that every one of those people is a whiner or lazy or trying to get something that doesn't belong to them and they'd have a job is they just applied for one, then that "just world" delusion is as clueless as you paint the protesters to be.

But seriously, answer the question. How did a credit default swap improve people's lives? How did a CDO squared make anyone's life better?

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Really? How did the esoteric derivatives and instruments...the CDS, the ABS, the CDOs... that Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, AIG et. al. came up with improve the quality of anyone's life? They did nothing but throw the world economy into a crisis that is still affecting the lives of millions of people. Teachers, firefighters, secretaries, electricians, painters, construction workers are the ones who paid the price for that fraud, not those who caused it. Those companies get billion dollar bailouts with no real strings attached. They're back to paying million dollar bonuses as if nothing happened, to people making use of tax loopholes that allow them to pay less than someone who makes 1/10th of what they do.

Meanwhile there's people out there out of a job because of the system that Wall Street rigged for itself blew up and we got stuck with their casino tab. And if you believe that every one of those people is a whiner or lazy or trying to get something that doesn't belong to them and they'd have a job is they just applied for one, then that "just world" delusion is as clueless as you paint the protesters to be.

But seriously, answer the question. How did a credit default swap improve people's lives? How did a CDO squared make anyone's life better?

It's not worth expelling your energy over. People only care as much as it effects their own lives.

They only care about their own small sphere of influence, and not the countrys health as a whole. They aren't in debt with student loans and degrees, and only finding openings for Wal Mart and McDonalds.

They aren't working 2 jobs to barely get by, with the constant pressure of being replaced.

I am pretty much done here, I made alot of good points in previous posts that were ignored in favor of making fun of the drum circles, and the elite people here that would "never employ them" .
The media ignored them for 13 days, then found every hippy leftist liberal thing they could find and reported on that. Ignored the police brutality, talked to the stoners rather than the organizers.

I blame the media for fostering an age of ignorance, and repeating soundbite morons who lack independant thought.

I don't know how it works in your part of the world.....

You don't know how it works in your part of the world

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I don't know how it works in your part of the world, but here we earn our wealth. Nobody distributes any wealth to anybody. World's financial assets, and national wealth is a product of what they produce, innovate, and how they utilize their resources. It is not distributed. And although I never said we have a perfect system, it is alot better than the alternative. Freedom is non-negotiable for me. And while you type on the device brought to you by Capitalism, I recommend you consider that.

And I recommend you read my post on the last page properly before you paint me as an ungrafeul socialist or whatever it is you seem to have decided I am.

So, since I own a PC, I must think captialism is fair and acceptable or else Im a hypocryte right? yawn*
I AM a captialist I have been born and raised in captalist country, Ive paid my taxes, been a consumer burrowed money, paid it back and supported our beloved system all the way.
In case you missed it already stated that Capitalism is very nice for me, as it is to you.
We are not the ones getting truley screwed by it, those that are couldn't be here because they dont have food, let alone an internet connection.
Im just thinking of them, the horrible selfish monster that I am.

As for earning our wealth.
Some 'earn it' more than others, Compare the salary of your average Wall street trader/ Banker/ professional sportsman/ TV soap star,
to that of your average Fireman/ Policeman / Doctor / Soldier.... Yeah 'the systems not perfect'

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I am pretty much done here, I made alot of good points in previous posts that were ignored in favor of making fun of the drum circles, and the elite people here that would "never employ them" .
The media ignored them for 13 days, then found every hippy leftist liberal thing they could find and reported on that. Ignored the police brutality, talked to the stoners rather than the organizers.

I blame the media for fostering an age of ignorance, and repeating soundbite morons who lack independant thought.

Great points, and I think you're right. Said all that needs to be said.

[JU_88]

^^ @ Soopaman2
That'll be the good old unbiast mainstream free media with no co-operate intreast in action once again.
Many in GT only listen to what they want hear.
Its easier to ignore, dismiss and discredit than to risk absorbing something that might (shock horror) actually challenge or even undermine our pre-existing beliefs and values.
The very concept seems to terrify some people half to death.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

If all these Wall Street protesters look like her, I'm on the next plane.

In all probability, she and her bf (OF COURSE she has one) come from the 1% and went to school/are going to school w/other 1%ers at a 1% school, probably someplace like Swarthmore/Bard/Oberlin/Reed/Bowdoin/Bates/etc.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

In all probability, she and her bf (OF COURSE she has one) come from the 1% and went to school/are going to school w/other 1%ers at a 1% school, probably someplace like Swarthmore/Bard/Oberlin/Reed/Bowdoin/Bates/etc.

so? does that make it not okay to march for the rights of others? Did not many white people also walk alongside MLK?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

so? does that make it not okay to march for the rights of others? Did not many white people also walk alongside MLK?

Do you think they'd like it if mommy and daddy donated ALL their assets to the poor?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Do you think they'd like it if mommy and daddy donated ALL their assets to the poor?

You know what -you can actually defend others without having to actually become who you are defending.
Likewise you can critisize somthing that you yourself are apart of.

You dont need to be poor to sympathise with poor people,
You can still find faults with capitalism, even if you are a captialist.

The hypocracy lable is cheap and overused.

People who protest are exercising there freedom of speech and right to protest. Some are idiots who do just going long for the ride, but there is no such thing as a MASS protest without a message.
People protest to for a change of policy that is currently not on offer from their government, if enough people are behind it, then any fair democratic society should at the very least take them seriously enough to listen.
Not every protester will be united on opinion, just as every Christian, Liberal, Republican, whatever is not united in theirs.

The way some people seem so desperate to use their own freedom of speech -to discredit and insult and shut up the protesters, makes me wonder why they want to live in America - perhaps they would be much happier in China where those people they despise so much are forced to shut up.
How's that for Hypocracy?

Anyone who is still struggling with what the protest is about, please watch this 4 minute cartoon that explains it in laymens terms.

[August]

They had a seminar at Brown yesterday to teach the student "activists" what they are protesting about.

http://newsblog.projo.com/2011/10/oc...spires-te.html

Keep in mind that it costs over $50K per year to attend Brown university. I'm sure those students can really relate to the problems of the working poor...