The Ashes - Page 14

STEED · 01-01-07, 07:44 AM

I have been hearing from the Australian coach on the radio he and the team feel they have been let down by England's team as they made no real effort to defend the Ashes. And the Australian fans also feel let down by England's poor showing.

diver · 01-01-07, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I have been hearing from the Australian coach on the radio he and the team feel they have been let down by England's team as they made no real effort to defend the Ashes. And the Australian fans also feel let down by England's poor showing.

Well they couldn't even challenge us to 3 full days of play in the Boxing Day test, the biggest test on the cricketing calendar.

Cricket Australia missed out on alot of money in refunding tickets, and 2 lost days of play.

TarJak · 01-02-07, 03:47 AM

A strange first day with a delayed start, 4 wickets not very many runs and an early finish due to bad light.

I'll be interested to see if England can stage any sort of revival to at least come away with one win.

Interesting article I read on the weekend saying that England may leave our shores without a win, based on the fact that they are a better test side than a one day side:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/engl...895523562.html

STEED · 01-02-07, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

Interesting article I read on the weekend saying that England may leave our shores without a win, based on the fact that they are a better test side than a one day side:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/engl...895523562.html

This is true, justed checked the rankings
Test Match, England are second in the world.
One day International, England are eighth in the world

TarJak · 01-03-07, 02:37 AM

So looking forward to the one day games?

horsa · 01-03-07, 07:43 AM

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So looking forward to the one day games?

I'm not

STEED · 01-04-07, 05:20 AM

White wash here we come.

I am sick of the BBC News crowing on that England is in with a chance to win the game, this is now the second time they have done it and just look at our score for the second innings, 114-5 12 runs ahead of Australia and two days to go. The BBC News are a bunch of plonkers.

Konovalov · 01-04-07, 05:59 AM

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So looking forward to the one day games?

I'm not

And it could be even worse if Flintoff has to go home because of his continued ankle problems. Vaughan to come back for the one day series and captain the side is almost a certainty. :hmm: He has had 3 or 4 innings with the England academy side in Perth and has not made a double figure score. Add to that the fact that in the one day game he has a less than spectatcular average and has as yet not scored an international one day hundred. And England's one day campaign prospects look even worse. Their most consistent one day performer and one of England's best two batsmen, Marcas Trescothick is back in England with a stress related illness that probably has ended his career. Add to that a man who was once the best bowler in the world at the top of the rankings, Steve Harmison who has retired from the one day game because he is scared of the white ball.

England should pull out of the one day comp on humanitarian grounds. :rotfl:

STEED · 01-04-07, 06:38 AM

I hope Australia rip the guts out of England in the one day internationals. But of course when the axe falls it will fall on the players and not the old school tie selectors.

horsa · 01-04-07, 08:30 AM

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when the axe falls it will fall on the players and not the old school tie selectors.

Something you've picked up ? Care to expand on that ?

BTW What's the story on Saj Mahmood ? He doesn't seeem to be part of the team and doesn't seem interested.

STEED · 01-04-07, 10:06 AM

horsa,

I have always notice the odd player here and there will be dropped from the team and yet the selectors always seem to get away with it. Too be fair to our team, there have been improvements and they need to keep working on those improvements, there must be players out there who are good and have not attended private schools.

It's about time the selectors woke up and moved on with the times, Yes it's true teams do have there up's and downs just look at South Africa and the West Indies they were 2nd and 3rd in the world and now you where they are, and yet in time they will pick up again and our selectors must make a note of this. I don't want to see England back down in it's usual spot of 7th in the world, I want want them up there in 2nd place and go out attacking and never give up even when the odds look bleak.

badhat17 · 01-04-07, 10:53 AM

Steed,

I don't know where you have got this old school tie nonsense from. As far as I know only three current England players attended public schools. If the standard of coaching at the state school I attended was anything to go by then having so many as eight state school educated players in the team is nothing short of a miracle.
The selectors can only pick the best from what is available, if those players are not good enough then they will get beaten by a better team. Australia are a better team.

horsa · 01-04-07, 01:13 PM

I must admit it does sound like there’s a bit of stereotyping going on here. I’ve not done any research into the team’s educational background but I don’t get the feeling that the private schools are over-represented these days. I thought it was only certain Australians who still had this notion that the England team are a bunch of arrogant toffs who needed taking down a peg or two. Even someone like Mike Atherton, who was educated privately at Manchester Grammar School can hardly be said to be “privileged” in the sense that you seem to imply.

Ironically the English cricket team did better in the days when it WAS all amateur toffs. ( come back Douglas Jardine, where are you ?) I have to agree with Badhat about the chances of a cricketer developing from a state school background. Even when I was at school, many moons ago, cricket coaching was a joke - something that happened with the geography teacher for a couple of weeks between the bad weather early in the summer when everything was cancelled, and the school exams when everything stopped. Since my time things have only got worse. Politics have fostered a culture of non-competitiveness and many state schools have been forced to sell off many of their playing fields.

As to the current method of selection for the Ashes tour, David Graveney went on record recently as saying it was in the hands of Fletcher and Flintoff with “advice” from a management group of senior players. The only selector who is not a player is Fletcher himself. Whatever we may say about Fletcher and his decisions he is a professional man without any hint of school tie privilege. If the old school tie network was working Fletcher would never have got the job in the first place - he's Zimbabwean

Konovalov · 01-04-07, 02:02 PM

Stereotype plain and simple.

STEED · 01-04-07, 02:48 PM

The old school tie is still in the world of the selectors, yes it's true to say over the last two or three years there has been improvements to breakaway from that old out date thinking.

By moving forward we are now number two in the world, the England team still has two major problems the batting collapse and when they fall behind they seem to put up little of a fight. Look at how positive Australia are, the times we have had them on the ropes granted not many the result they fight back and we must adopt this thinking.

01-01-07, 07:44 AM	#196
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I have been hearing from the Australian coach on the radio he and the team feel they have been let down by England's team as they made no real effort to defend the Ashes. And the Australian fans also feel let down by England's poor showing. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 01-01-07 at 08:13 AM.

01-04-07, 05:20 AM	#202
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	White wash here we come. I am sick of the BBC News crowing on that England is in with a chance to win the game, this is now the second time they have done it and just look at our score for the second innings, 114-5 12 runs ahead of Australia and two days to go. The BBC News are a bunch of plonkers. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 01-04-07 at 06:35 AM.

01-04-07, 06:38 AM	#204
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I hope Australia rip the guts out of England in the one day internationals. But of course when the axe falls it will fall on the players and not the old school tie selectors. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

01-04-07, 10:06 AM	#206
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	horsa, I have always notice the odd player here and there will be dropped from the team and yet the selectors always seem to get away with it. Too be fair to our team, there have been improvements and they need to keep working on those improvements, there must be players out there who are good and have not attended private schools. It's about time the selectors woke up and moved on with the times, Yes it's true teams do have there up's and downs just look at South Africa and the West Indies they were 2nd and 3rd in the world and now you where they are, and yet in time they will pick up again and our selectors must make a note of this. I don't want to see England back down in it's usual spot of 7th in the world, I want want them up there in 2nd place and go out attacking and never give up even when the odds look bleak. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

01-04-07, 10:53 AM	#207
badhat17 Navy Dude Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Derbyshire La La Laa Posts: 176 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Steed, I don't know where you have got this old school tie nonsense from. As far as I know only three current England players attended public schools. If the standard of coaching at the state school I attended was anything to go by then having so many as eight state school educated players in the team is nothing short of a miracle. The selectors can only pick the best from what is available, if those players are not good enough then they will get beaten by a better team. Australia are a better team. __________________

01-02-07, 03:47 AM	#198
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	A strange first day with a delayed start, 4 wickets not very many runs and an early finish due to bad light. I'll be interested to see if England can stage any sort of revival to at least come away with one win. Interesting article I read on the weekend saying that England may leave our shores without a win, based on the fact that they are a better test side than a one day side: http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/engl...895523562.html

01-03-07, 02:37 AM	#200
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	So looking forward to the one day games?

01-04-07, 01:13 PM	#208
horsa Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Halifax, England Posts: 502 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 3	I must admit it does sound like there’s a bit of stereotyping going on here. I’ve not done any research into the team’s educational background but I don’t get the feeling that the private schools are over-represented these days. I thought it was only certain Australians who still had this notion that the England team are a bunch of arrogant toffs who needed taking down a peg or two. Even someone like Mike Atherton, who was educated privately at Manchester Grammar School can hardly be said to be “privileged” in the sense that you seem to imply. Ironically the English cricket team did better in the days when it WAS all amateur toffs. ( come back Douglas Jardine, where are you ?) I have to agree with Badhat about the chances of a cricketer developing from a state school background. Even when I was at school, many moons ago, cricket coaching was a joke - something that happened with the geography teacher for a couple of weeks between the bad weather early in the summer when everything was cancelled, and the school exams when everything stopped. Since my time things have only got worse. Politics have fostered a culture of non-competitiveness and many state schools have been forced to sell off many of their playing fields. As to the current method of selection for the Ashes tour, David Graveney went on record recently as saying it was in the hands of Fletcher and Flintoff with “advice” from a management group of senior players. The only selector who is not a player is Fletcher himself. Whatever we may say about Fletcher and his decisions he is a professional man without any hint of school tie privilege. If the old school tie network was working Fletcher would never have got the job in the first place - he's Zimbabwean

01-04-07, 02:02 PM	#209
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Stereotype plain and simple. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

01-04-07, 02:48 PM	#210
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The old school tie is still in the world of the selectors, yes it's true to say over the last two or three years there has been improvements to breakaway from that old out date thinking. By moving forward we are now number two in the world, the England team still has two major problems the batting collapse and when they fall behind they seem to put up little of a fight. Look at how positive Australia are, the times we have had them on the ropes granted not many the result they fight back and we must adopt this thinking. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!