The dark age is coming back

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Wim Libaers

Of course, paintings and buildings are designed - by humans.

In fact, try appreciating what's physically, psycologically and materially needed just to do that. In fact, just to pick up the brush. In fact, just for the artist to think about picking up the brush.

The flaw in the argument is that, because man-made complex items are designed, anything that is complex must have been designed.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck........................

Or, as the saying goes, you can't see the forest for the trees?

The billions of varying components that make up the universe, down to the design of the atom and even it's sub-atomic parts? And then we're to look at these billions of varying components, all of them super complex and consistantly abiding by predictable laws, and imagine that they all came about from a series of billions of booboos and oopsies, beginning from some magical particle that appeared out of nowhere at the beginning of time, which itself begs for an explanation?!

I think the Hopi Indian myths posted here yesterday are more plausable.

[The Noob]

The billions of varying components that make up the universe, down to the design of the atom and even it's sub-atomic parts? And then we're to look at these billions of varying components, all of them super complex and consistantly abiding by predictable laws, and imagine that they all came about from a series of billions of booboos and oopsies, beginning from some magical particle that appeared out of nowhere at the beginning of time, which itself begs for an explanation?!

What sounds insane to you is the throuth for me, and millions of atheists. And scientists of course.

Avon Lady, you are so damn conservative, you could be send back in time to 1850 and no one would be suspicious.

I think the Hopi Indian myths posted here yesterday are more plausable.

Thats the problem. Universe is not plausable. We will never understand it.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by The Noob

What sounds insane to you is the throuth for me

I assume you meant "truth".

No problem. I can understand people thinking irrationally. Now there's the rub.

and millions of atheists. And scientists of course.

Yes. You all B-E-L-I-E-V-E.

Avon Lady, you are so damn conservative

So?:hmm:

Thats the problem. Universe is not plausable. We will never understand it.

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That's your excuse.

[Fish]

@AL, what do you think you should believe when born in a Christian/Islamic or Atheist familie, and not in a Judean family?

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck........................

Or, as the saying goes, you can't see the forest for the trees?

You were raised with the idea that your god has created everything. They teached you that and now you believe it. But you need to understand that there are hundreds of other religions that don´t share your view of the world.

Generally speaking, you are not in the position to tell anyone that only your believe system is right.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Fish

@AL, what do you think you should believe when born in a Christian/Islamic or Atheist familie, and not in a Judean family?

Regarding Christianity and Islam, both religions believe in a creator of the universe. Differences in the detail? It's academic!

As for atheists, that's why we're discussing this here - to debate the issues.

("Judean family"? Surely you meant "Jewish family.")

[Gizzmoe]

You are evading his question! What if you were raised as a Hindu, Taoist, Buddhist...

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

You were raised with the idea that your god has created everything. They teached you that and now you believe it. But you need to understand that there are hundreds of other religions that don´t share your view of the world.

Generally speaking, you are not in the position to tell anyone that only your believe system is right.

I'm not insisting on it here at all. Read what I wrote. Not a particular word about Judaism at all in the post you're quoting. All I said was look around you and ponder.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I'm not insisting on it here at all.

I know, that´s why I wrote "Generally speaking".

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

You are evading his question! What if you were raised as a Hindu, Taoist, Buddhist...

Do all of these religions believe in some form of divine creator? Then my universal point is still applicable.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

I know, that´s why I wrote "Generally speaking".

Generally speaking, I am entitled to point out much in our daily lives that is taken for granted. Again, this is a universal idea, not denominational.

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Yes. You all B-E-L-I-E-V-E.

Jup. And you all B-E-L-I-E-V-E too.

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

That's your excuse.

And what's your excuse, Avon? "But it's written in that book". Thats even a worse excuse then mine.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Jup. And you all B-E-L-I-E-V-E too.

But I never argued otherwise, though I did specify the logical and rational foundations to my belief versus the illogical and irrational side to your beliefs, in my posts today.

And what's your excuse, Avon? "But it's written in that book". Thats even a worse excuse then mine.

You've obviously not read or understood my posts from yesterday, as well as today's.

[SUBMAN1]

Why is this thread still going? Its pathetic.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Why is this thread still going? Its pathetic.

On the contrary! I think it's improved with age.

Now, instead of posting childish comic strips and photoshopped bible pics with surgeon general warnings pasted on the cover, we're actually discussing the issues. Well, for the most part.