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Old 10-21-13, 12:10 PM   #181
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Oh COME ON.

Nixon did do some things that would raise eyebrows on today's GOP. His administration not only supported the Clean Air Act and affirmative action, it also gave us the Environmental Protection Agency, one of the agencies the business community most detests, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to police working conditions. Nixon also bolstered Social Security benefits. He introduced a minimum tax on the wealthy and championed a guaranteed minimum income for the poor. He even proposed health reform that would require employers to buy health insurance for all their employees and subsidize those who couldn’t afford it. That failed because of Democratic opposition.

Not to mention that he went to Red China.
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Bubblehead, you still haven't told us about your studies of Marxism. Who did you read? The old man himself? Lenin? Trotsky? Mao? Gramsci? Harpo?
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Old 10-21-13, 12:20 PM   #183
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Nixon did do some things that would raise eyebrows on today's GOP. His administration not only supported the Clean Air Act and affirmative action, it also gave us the Environmental Protection Agency, one of the agencies the business community most detests, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to police working conditions. Nixon also bolstered Social Security benefits. He introduced a minimum tax on the wealthy and championed a guaranteed minimum income for the poor. He even proposed health reform that would require employers to buy health insurance for all their employees and subsidize those who couldn’t afford it. That failed because of Democratic opposition.

Not to mention that he went to Red China.

True, but Nixon was not a marxist at heart, neocon ? yes but left of obama? No.
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Old 10-21-13, 12:21 PM   #184
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I feel for your country.
Don't.

I'm employed, insured for accidents and death without being excluded for my asthma, our doctors saved my finger and eye in work related accidents and I had to pay ZERO, including the painkillers, if I need a rescue service I won't receive a bill, if I have a cold or a heart transplantation I'm covered.
And not some shady USSR style hospitals. Top notch equipment with a posibility to be sent to a more modern foreign facility if need arises.

I own a car, a few hectares of forest, study at the nautical college, university of Ljubljana and my total debt is ZERO. The only interest I see is the positive flow to my bank account.

My government is not syping on me, I'm allowed to protest in front of the parliament, presidential palace or even a cop without even getting a warning to stop.

So, not only my far left marxist goverment is giving me all the liberties you have, I also enjoy a liberty from worries how will I pay for my treatment and from worries how will I pay for my study.

So don't feel for my country. I feel for yours
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Old 10-21-13, 12:27 PM   #185
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I don't have time to type them all currently but there are quite a few racist quotes in that book, just shows his mentality.One that sticks out if where he talks about avoiding being seen with white students when he was in college, to "avoid being mistaken for a sell out". Referred to his paternal grandfather as a "house ******"(his words)

I remember him talking about working in capitalist system as "working behind enemy lines" , that he felt like a sell out.

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

There are plenty of others, READ the book, everyone should.

I don't want to hear about context, that has been the excuse, they try to argue some things were taken out of context.No, it shows his attitude when he authored the book.Attitudes that are still there going by his race baiting behavior.I will update post when have time.
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That was not making it racial, that was the truth.Tribes tried to make it racial, there is a difference between what we said.
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That is scary if obama would be considered right wing there, I feel for your country.No, at his heart, obama is a marxist, it is who he is and it is honestly who the modern democratic party is.Of course they don't adhere to it rigidly but much of their "thought" is marxist in it's nature.
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Old 10-21-13, 12:36 PM   #186
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Bubblehead, you still haven't told us about your studies of Marxism. Who did you read? The old man himself? Lenin? Trotsky? Mao? Gramsci? Harpo?

First, drop the attitude if I don't respond right away, I was busy and try to answer in timely manner. Second, The Communist Manifesto, Quotations from Chairman Mao, in addition to many others over the years. A lot of discussion in college, a poli-sci professor was an actual communist, whackjob for sure who has no business even teaching but class was interesting and was great exposure to that evil "thought"

what have you read?

Keep in mind, when I say marxism as far as obama goes, I speak in terms that in his heart, at the base of his political soul, he is a marxist.I base this on his influences, associations etc and and his behavior in some regards. Definitely hold's the contempt for capitalism that marxists do.
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First, drop the attitude if I don't respond right away, I was busy and try to answer in timely manner. Second, The Communist Manifesto, Quotations from Chairman Mao, in addition to many others over the years. A lot of discussion in college, a poli-sci professor was an actual communist, whackjob for sure who has no business even teaching but class was interesting and was great exposure to that evil "thought"

what have you read?

Keep in mind, when I say marxism as far as obama goes, I speak in terms that in his heart, at the base of his political soul, he is a marxist.I base this on his influences, associations etc and and his behavior in some regards. Definitely hold's the contempt for capitalism that marxists do.
So what it comes down to is that you base your claims that Obama is a Marxist on your ability to look into his soul?
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Old 10-21-13, 12:56 PM   #188
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Don't.

I'm employed, insured for accidents and death without being excluded for my asthma, our doctors saved my finger and eye in work related accidents and I had to pay ZERO, including the painkillers, if I need a rescue service I won't receive a bill, if I have a cold or a heart transplantation I'm covered.
And not some shady USSR style hospitals. Top notch equipment with a posibility to be sent to a more modern foreign facility if need arises.

I own a car, a few hectares of forest, study at the nautical college, university of Ljubljana and my total debt is ZERO. The only interest I see is the positive flow to my bank account.

My government is not syping on me, I'm allowed to protest in front of the parliament, presidential palace or even a cop without even getting a warning to stop.

So, not only my far left marxist goverment is giving me all the liberties you have, I also enjoy a liberty from worries how will I pay for my treatment and from worries how will I pay for my study.

So don't feel for my country. I feel for yours

What outrageous amount of taxes do you pay? Nothing is "free" my friend , someone is paying for it. What individual freedoms are you guaranteed?

Guess what? The MAJORITY of people in the US, get to see a top notch doctor as well.There is an uninsured minority in this country, it's life.Guess what I am right now, one of them since I am finishing up my education, not working and can no longer be on my parents but is okay.I went to the Doctor not long ago for a cold that would not go away, only cost me $70, my medicine was only $20, did not mind at all.I went to college with NO help from the government and that is fine with me.I had to take loans out for law school, to pay for some of it anyways, parents could not handle it all but that is fine.Yes, student debt is common, part of it.Nothing is free as said, so your education is not free, just someone else is picking up the tab.Remember, what the government gives you, the government can take away.Our country is finding that out.Our federal government was supposed to be relatively inconsequential under the constitution unless we were at war but since so many people now depend on the government for employment or welfare, it actually hurts when it shuts down.That is just tragic, extremely tragic.


Also, your country has what 2 million people? The US has over 310 million people and rising(unfortunately), a lot more people.Our taxes are already outrageous but the vast majority of people have health insurance via private and government programs, vast majority live comfortably.Even our poor life relatively comfortable.

The spying thing is horrible but is the end result of dangerous collective thinking that has seeped its way into our population and government over the years but it is not the US government alone.I bet your government spies, you just are not aware of it.
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Old 10-21-13, 12:59 PM   #189
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So what it comes down to is that you base your claims that Obama is a Marxist on your ability to look into his soul?

There you go again, twisting it.No, I said I base that on his influences, some of his actions, associations, his disdain for capitalism demonstrated in his book and his class warfare rhetoric as a candidate and president.The man's political base, his instinct, is that of a marxist.
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There you go again, twisting it.No, I said I base that on his influences, some of his actions, associations, his disdain for capitalism demonstrated in his book and his class warfare rhetoric as a candidate and president.The man's political base, his instinct, is that of a marxist.
All that is 'demonstrated' is conformation bias. You see what you want to see...
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All that is 'demonstrated' is conformation bias. You see what you want to see...
No! I do not want that to be true, I wish he was a good man, I wish none of this was true.I wish my country was not stupid enough to elect someone like him to office TWICE.I really tried to give him a chance but as time goes on, he becomes more and more obvious based on things I have mentioned.
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When I read this I was thinking of you Bubblehead, by the way did you know that the word bubblehead is a negative term that surface craft sailors call submarine sailors? Oh well too late to change your name now, but please read this and know that you are not the only person that makes mistakes.

I've even made one or two myself : http://progressiveandproud.wordpress...-bank-account/

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One of my favorite Professors at the University of Texas at Arlington always said “Nothing ever is, it only appears to be.” He went on to remind people, that when you read the results of study or listen to someone’s conclusion about a study, a law, or anything in life, that a true researcher will go to the source to determine the validity of the statements or conclusions made.

In the course of my career, I have tried to live by these instructions when reading research, watching commercials, or even listening to political speeches. Facts are facts, but facts can be manipulated to imply something other than the truth. What? It is true, people take things out of context, change a word here or there or even summarize things insinuating they mean something other than the purpose of the statement. This has been especially true in terms of the information published about ACA/Obamacare.
This article as helpful as it is ... is about ACA/obamacare so I will post it over there too
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Old 10-21-13, 01:46 PM   #193
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I do not know Obama personally and I do not know his domestic policy,

I, however, have read some politician* saying he's acting as a besserwisser, he always knowing best, he don't want to hear his staff

Got that from reading friends friends status on FB

I personally having hard time to believe these things.

* they have been talking to persons that have been close to Obama.

PS they are NOT the same as those who shared false info DS

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Why make it racial?
Its your post bubbles, your words.
If you don't like your own words constantly backfiring on you then think about your words

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That is scary if obama would be considered right wing there, I feel for your country.No, at his heart, obama is a marxist, it is who he is and it is honestly who the modern democratic party is.Of course they don't adhere to it rigidly but much of their "thought" is marxist in it's nature.
That illustrates how insular and naïve you are, it also demonstrates how extreme your insularity is to a level that is so picayunish as to be clearly Lilliputian in its nature

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What outrageous amount of taxes do you pay? Nothing is "free" my friend , someone is paying for it. What individual freedoms are you guaranteed?
A sensible person would establish the facts before they went off on a rant less that rant be seen as mindless drivel.
Is there any particular reason why you rant without thinking first?
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No he's right.

15% of my pay is income tax. Some percentage is also payed as social security. Basic healthcare insurance is payed by my employer.

I'd say about 24% of my monthly wage is going to the state.
A quarter of my pay to save my life, educate me, keep the roads maintained and provide me with security (police, firefighters, rescue services, army) is an outrages amount of tax. I feel abused.

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I had to take loans out for law school, to pay for some of it anyways, parents could not handle it all but that is fine.Yes, student debt is common, part of it.Nothing is free as said, so your education is not free, just someone else is picking up the tab.
Student debt is uncommon here.
Someone else pays the tab ?? Yes, it's called a taxpayer and it's also called an investment into the future. Highly educated workforce makes more money and pays more tax. Plus, to understand why we're not complaining by paying taxes for education and healthcare of others you have to understand something called SOLIDARITY.
And what do we get after slaving away at our job to pay those taxes ??
A well educated workforce that is dept free and can start a future without feeding the banks first.


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Also, your country has what 2 million people? The US has over 310 million people and rising(unfortunately),
Less people make less money for the state. We're playing this game on a bit higher difficulty.
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