And the shootings continue....

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

He's trying to make the claim that if you spank your children it will turn them into mass murderers, or IRA members, one or the other.

Tribesman is attempting to associate Charles Whitman and the TX University shooting to the beating his old man gave him. Might have been a part. Kind of left out the Marines where he learned other types of discipline. No mention of the drugs he was on and the sleep deprivation before the shootings. Numerous other issues in his life. Also failed to mention Charles had 2 brothers that experienced the same when growing up but did not climb a clock tower and kill with a rifle.

A few posts back I stated I never swatted my kids. My wife did once.

Yet you also used an example where someone might.
Swat to the top of the hand as a child reaches over a hot stove.
Yet yourself have now shown a better approach
My kids understood after questions were answered.
So you answered my question and agreed with me, thank you for demonstrating my point and how the approach works.

When I need a lesson on parenting I'll ask you. Until then dispense with attempting to teach a lesson. Thanks.

Do you think the lesson was aimed at you?
Maybe its aimed at those people who you say cannot really form a proper opinion on it, like the troll

Tribesman is attempting to associate Charles Whitman and the TX University shooting to the beating his old man gave him.

errrr no, I am repeating the point that the beatings didn't stop him and that he came from that mythical golden age when ass whooping was good.

Kind of left out the Marines where he learned other types of discipline.

No that was already dealt with earlier when the same people who are saying beating is the answer said that military service is also the answer.#
Please try and keep up

No mention of the drugs he was on and the sleep deprivation before the shootings. Numerous other issues in his life.

You mean these things are complex? wow, better tell that to those that want simple answers.

Also failed to mention Charles had 2 brothers that experienced the same when growing up but did not climb a clock tower and kill with a rifle.

So individuals are different, I wonder who made that point already

He's trying to make the claim that if you spank your children it will turn them into mass murderers, or IRA members, one or the other.

Your parents really failed with you, clearly you are a habitual liar, it goes with ignorance in more ways than one

[AVGWarhawk]

Tribesman, did you explain to your children that it is ok to lose an argument every now and then? Continued grasping of straws will prove to be pointless in some matters?

[MH]

....and the shootings continue.

[Sailor Steve]

After careful reading of this and many other threads, I've come to a conclusion:

Skybird and Tribesman are one and the same person, suffering from a most severe case of split personality.

The evidence? Neither one is ever wrong. Both seem to be incapable of having an honest discussion. Both take the role of supreme expert in every subject, and presume to lecture rather than discuss.

The differences? Where Skybird talks down to those he considers his inferiors (which is pretty much everybody), Tribesman merely mocks them. Where Skybird is deadly serious with the ocassional glimps of humor, Tribesman has a cutting sense of humor, only ocassionally showing a serious side and saying something worth listening to.

Lecture at eleven. Full text of study available in print on December 22, price $49.95 ($49.89 at Wal*Mart).

[AVGWarhawk]

Steve, I think you really missed your calling. You need a couch for your patients, chair for yourself and a steno pad with pencil. When is the book signing?

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Tribesman is attempting to associate Charles Whitman and the TX University shooting to the beating his old man gave him. Might have been a part. Kind of left out the Marines where he learned other types of discipline. No mention of the drugs he was on and the sleep deprivation before the shootings. Numerous other issues in his life. Also failed to mention Charles had 2 brothers that experienced the same when growing up but did not climb a clock tower and kill with a rifle.

In other words he's cherry picking.

Tribesman, did you explain to your children that it is ok to lose an argument every now and then? Continued grasping of straws will prove to be pointless in some matters?

Do you explain to your kids that they should always miss the point and carry on regardless in the wrong direction.

Skybird and Tribesman are one and the same person, suffering from a most severe case of split personality.

No Skybird and August are the same, they both are habitual liars who luckily didn't breed

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

After careful reading of this and many other threads, I've come to a conclusion:

Skybird and Tribesman are one and the same person, suffering from a most severe case of split personality.

The evidence? Neither one is ever wrong. Both seem to be incapable of having an honest discussion. Both take the role of supreme expert in every subject, and presume to lecture rather than discuss.

The differences? Where Skybird talks down to those he considers his inferiors (which is pretty much everybody), Tribesman merely mocks them. Where Skybird is deadly serious with the ocassional glimps of humor, Tribesman has a cutting sense of humor, only ocassionally showing a serious side and saying something worth listening to.

Lecture at eleven. Full text of study available in print on December 22, price $49.95 ($49.89 at Wal*Mart).

I agree with AVG Steve. You'd have made a great Psychologist.

Do you have a newsletter? I wish to subscribe!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Do you explain to your kids that they should always miss the point and carry on regardless in the wrong direction.

Ok, apparently you haven't. I have that answer for you....

Ok, apparently you haven't. I have that answer for you....

since much of the topic has been you missing what was written lets go again .

Do you explain to your kids that they should always miss the point and carry on regardless in the wrong direction.

Maybe you should also tell them that they cannot win or lose an arguement if they cannot even understand what is written as they can never have addressed it. Or maybe your kids should teach you

[Sammi79]

Well, this thread doubled in size since I started reading... So sorry if my points relate to an earlier part in the discussion.

CP, mental disorder, violent video games, violent films/TV, violence on the news, parenting. I agree with some points people made about these, I don't believe CP is necessary but I don't believe it damaged me either. I understood clearly when my father explained to me once that it hurt him more than it hurt me. I only ever received a 'spanking' after having made a possibly dangerous or fatal mistake like venturing out on a frozen lake. It didn't stop me doing it a few more times however, so I am sceptical about the effectiveness of it. More could and should be done for people with disorders of the mind the world over, but that means paying more taxes for it. Violent media? I remember WW2 based comics that were full of people being blown to pieces, sometimes albeit rarely drawn with the most exceptional skill and attention to detail, so I'm with Takeda on that. I don't think it has changes much in my lifetime. Parenting? well that's a huge issue of its own everywhere. I would like to see a parenting qualification offered free in secondary school or some such here in UK. Mandatory pass before you can have children. Got to be free otherwise only the wealthy can procreate. That means more taxes...

But these are all red herrings. To claim that a violent video game is an enabler to mass murder, while the legally obtainable tool used to commit the crime is not is possibly the most twisted logic I have encountered this year.

It is a predictable attempt to avoid the real issue, which is your right to bear arms, however justifiable in its conception it may have been. In this contemporary time, this right is increasingly infringing on the rights of children to their life. To be honest I see little in the way of change coming really just the same old red herrings vs the conscientious objections, to be quietly forgotten in political apathy or impotence over increasingly short periods of time. By doing nothing, you by default choose acceptance of these sacrifices as risks that are worth taking within your society. Shouldn't your rights end where an others begins?

And yes many non Americans are exasperated by this, and though your nationalists will forever assume belligerence to be an appropriate response, they are wrong to assume we just simply like sticking our noses in. Every bereft parent in the world knows what the parents and friends of the victims are going through, and there are many. Their pain and grief is shared by us all as human beings. You don't want our pity? Then change something! Disallow private storage, keep all lockups under 24hr armed guard, ban outright handguns and/or military grade weapons, etc. There are many things that could be done with gun controls to reduce the risk of similar incidents. Personally speaking, I don't think restricting violent media of any kind, more corporal punishment or increased support for mental disorders would achieve a comparable effect, though they might still be worthwhile things to do.

I have watched these threads and out of respect I have held my tongue until now. A few had me gagging for a response, but I am apparently learning discipline when it comes to internet discussion, so - in regard to the recent tragedy:

My sincere deepest condolences and best wishes for the families and friends of the victims and indeed the entire nation. I hope that you recover as best and as quick as you can, it is with hollow voice and all I can say, that in time the pain will dull.

Sam.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

In other words he's cherry picking.

That post was way too short. You need atleast a thesis statement, 27 supporting paragraphs, some supporting artwork, funny cat picture, and bibliography.

Please resubmit post.
Thanks, management.

[Hottentot]

I like puppies. I'd never beat a puppy.

[MH]

But these are all red herrings. To claim that a violent video game is an enabler to mass murder, while the legally obtainable tool used to commit the crime is not is possibly the most twisted logic I have encountered this year.

That is some very sharp point.

Yet i don't believe that games are the cause for kids to commit violet crimes but still may be inspirational for some with mental problems.
The same for access to guns ...mental problems and easy access to firearms can give the inspiration.

Question is if Americans should deal with it just as anything else in life...no one is outlawing driving for example...or try to do something about it at the price of this freedom.

As i said...in my personal opinion guns laws should be more strict and owning rifles is unnecessary unless proven otherwise.