Hours of Islamic Prayer to open Democrat Convention ???

[Sailor Steve]

It sounds bad, and it may be bad. On the other hand this may be a classic case of context. What are the political leanings of that source?

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Column...ent.aspx#page1

and the video itself:

Thanks, I could not find any source. Ouch, big failure by the Dems.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

No - sadly your attempt to equate those who want less government to mean a theocracy is misguided. A theocracy, by definition - requires a LOT of government since religious regulations must be enforced, thus needing massive oversite.

Less government means less government. Not more government and not no government.....

My attempt was to equate lean government to a government that loses some pounds, that's why I put 'diety' in bold letters, as in diet - in contrast to a deity.

[August]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Sadly August, my heaviest weapon is an AR-15, which would do kaput on an Abrahms tank. (even if I did make it full auto)

Though I am still waiting to see how an islamic prayer is bad (if i even believed this), considering America has free religion.

Take free religion, but take guns first. Both would end up with violent consequenses.

I truly want to know what parts of the bill of rights do neo-cons deem acceptable? Just so I know who to shoot, when the stuff goes down.

(not calling you a neo-con in particular, you come across as neutral August, just a general question so nothing personal, just used your comment as a "springboard")

You're making a couple of assumptions here that aren't all that valid.

First one is you and your AR-15 having to go head to head with an Abrams tank. There's a better than even chance that the crew of the Abrams would join your side bringing their tank with them. Military folks are pretty patriotic people and very few would willingly let themselves be made tools of an oppressive government bent on domestic tyranny. Besides being too scared to oppose tyrant only guarantees his success.

Second thing is that you're using an inaccurate and disparaging term to describe the political opposition which is an easy way to villify large groups of people. "Neo-cons" was created by a Socialist to describe other liberals who didn't align closely enough with the Soviet model of government and were seen as moving to the right. Daniel Patrick Moynihan being one of the more prominent Liberals to which this term was applied.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It sounds bad, and it may be bad. On the other hand this may be a classic case of context. What are the political leanings of that source?

The elephant in the YT link may point to some bias . However they also show the 2 sentences before, this may clear the context in which it was meant.
"We are committed to all people. We do believe you can use your government in any good way."

However the wording of the following sentence is chosen quite badly. It was spoken by a professional speaker, so this sentence looks quite intentional.

What strikes out that the video has a 4:3 aspect ratio, which is quite uncommon for a video from 2012.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Penguin

"We are committed to all people. We do believe you can use your government in any good way."

While that comment has some truth to it, there is a difference between those who try to use the government to do good things and those who think that government is the answer to all our problems. I tend to agree with Haplo on this, but I want to know more about what was behind it.

However the wording of the following sentence is chosen quite badly. It was spoken by a professional speaker, so this sentence looks quite intentional.

And it was written by a professional writer, which also indicates that it is intentional. That said, I have to wonder what came after that sentence, and why it was cut short at that point. It sounds like he may have been trying to foster a closer connection to the government for his listeners, and seriously misspoke. Whatever the case, of course the "other side" is already making hay with this. Highly entertaining.

Government is the only thing WE belong to.

got source?

The Government Is The Only Thing We All Belong To

Source says different don't it.
You only have one national government don't you.
Under a constitutional republic the government represents the people, which means you are part of it.
It is the only thing you all belong to, well apart from the human race though there is some debate in certain quarters over that.

So the news is ....oh no it is shocking the evil team D say citizens all hold membership of the big club that is the government.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Whatever the case, of course the "other side" is already making hay with this. Highly entertaining.

What I find the most entertaining is that there are actually people who believe that a President from Team R would actually abolish intrusive governmental politics

Originally Posted by Tribesman

team D say citizens all hold membership of the big club that is the government.

Well, I'll pull a Groucho on this.

[mookiemookie]

Oh for crimeny's sake, "belong" has more than one meaning. When your dear old aunt says she belongs to a bridge club, do you really envision her in chains and being forced to shuffle cards for everyone else? This is so friggin' stupid.

Intentionally misquoting and mischaracterizing the opposition's statements must be the GOP's playbook for this election.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Penguin

My attempt was to equate lean government to a government that loses some pounds, that's why I put 'diety' in bold letters, as in diet - in contrast to a deity.

I totally missed that sublime difference and apologize that I assumed it was meant to have a different meaning.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

When your dear old aunt says she belongs to a bridge club, do you really envision her in chains and being forced to shuffle cards for everyone else?

Yes. Yes I do.

End the bridge oppression. Vote pinochle 2012.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yes. Yes I do.

End the bridge oppression. Vote pinochle 2012.

I think you mean Pinocchio - because whichever one wins, you can bet that they told a few fibs to get there.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I think you mean Pinocchio - because whichever one wins, you can bet that they told a few fibs to get there.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Intentionally misquoting and mischaracterizing the opposition's statements must be the GOP's playbook for this election.

You mean like the DNC chair claiming she was "misquoted" - and then the audio being released proving that she was quoted exactly?

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&e...w=1920&bih=963

Yea - its always the evil, lying republicans....

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Yea - its always the evil, lying partisan's....

Fixed that for you.

There are A LOT of them around here. Every one close minded, narrow viewed, and totally convinced of their own moral superiority.

I should start naming names.

[August]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

You mean like the DNC chair claiming she was "misquoted" - and then the audio being released proving that she was quoted exactly?

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&e...w=1920&bih=963

Yea - its always the evil, lying republicans....

Exactly.

How about Massachusetts Senate Candidate and DNC speaker Elizabeth Warren who falsely claimed to have American Indian heritage in order to get a cush Harvard University teaching gig?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ses-questions/

Now you'd think getting caught in such a heinous lie the Democrats would have disowned her but apparently lying for material gain doesn't count as long as there's a (D) after her name.